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young2077 said:
I've seen him likened to LJ in rhe way he speaks in buzz words etc... (similar to Speakman).

Now thing with LJ and his buzzwords is he spoke the but generally the football was average at best! If a manager comes in and plays good football getting results they will be forgiven the buzzwords by most! Just stop listening to him and watch the results <laugh>.

I will say though in my expereince people who drop buzzwords are one of two things, ****e at the actual thing they are talking about so try to fool everyone they are clued up or clued up to a point that they are obsessed with what they are talking about and are usually pretty good!
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As long as the players understand his buzzwords and have a clue what he is talking about
 
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ROKER PARK said:
I'm sure that the board take account of our views and then make their decision - that's the way it should be.
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They don't know the fans views. They only have interaction with a very tiny percentage of them. They do not represent all fans, and such a thing is neither possible nor desirable.

But the appointment of a manager should be ENTIRELY at the discretion of the owner. We have emotion invested, he has his money. If he makes a pig's ear of it we get annoyed, but he loses his shirt.

Emotion is rarely a good basis for decision making in football. If it were, Ferguson wouldn't have been at Utd long enough to win anything. Martin O'Neil would have been ousted at Leicester after one particularly bad run before they achieved anything. Ditto many others, including Thomas Franks who had a truly horrific start at Brentford. The same applies to appointments. There was no fanfare when Kieran McKenna was appointed at Ipswich. Ditto umpteen others; Arsene who?

We just watch and shout. We're okay, could be better, might get better. But we just watch and shout.
 
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Smug in Boots said:
Good post mate, balanced which isn't always the case on this thread.

Two points, from my perspective.

Firstly Eddie Howe. From abject failure at Burnley and terrible reception at Newcastle to Champions League and a Cup Final.

Secondly I wouldn't say SAFC are buying players primarily to make a profit off. I'd say we're trying to make progress, on the field, while bringing in players who we won't lose fortunes on as we've done in the past.

I've absolutely no idea why people are so angry that we're signing players that turn out to be so good we have PL clubs wanting to sign them for ten times our investment.

WTF is wrong with people ...

... do they really want to go back to the dark uncertain days when 'administration' was a word posted daily on here.
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Right. Hopefully the new coach will come good. People are frustrated. My main frustration is that that new forwards haven't worked out yet, If they had TM would still be here...
 
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Smug in Boots said:
The main 'evidence' against Beale seems to be the testimony of Rangers fans on chat forums like this one <laugh>
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It’s actually a bit embarrassing seeing people foam at the mouth without having any idea what they’re talking about because a few rangers fans said he’s sh*te.

The same Rangers who sacked Van Bronkhorst after he somehow led them to a europa league final a few months beforehand. The same rangers who sold their best players, let others run down their contract and then spent barely anything whilst Celtic spent another £40m on players after winning the league..

Beale amassed over 90 points last season which would’ve been more than enough to win the SPL most years but Celtic had a stormer and won the treble - beating Rangers in both cup finals.

It’s like arguing that Liverpool were ****e in their 97 point season because City were better.
 
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Speaking to my Rangers supporting mate his biggest bugbear was how much money Beale wasted on "duds" - he's not sure how good a man manager he is, but admits he's an excellent coach, The feeling when Gerrard was there was that Beale did all the coaching and tactics - Gerrard was the man manager.

It might be that this setup suits him better than being a manager at a club like Rangers
 
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John 11:35 said:
I’ve been observing the furious masses on another website and the phrase “bending over to take it” has cropped up a few times

I then donned my hazmat suit and read a few mag websites who employed the opposite metaphor, can’t wait to **** those Mackem bastards

With that in mind, I would at least pretend I up put up a fight <laugh>
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Pandering to whims and fancies isn't strong leadership in my opinion ...

... people continually demanding statements, on every subject, has become a bit needy tbh.
 
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Hudson92 said:
I remember shouting ‘let diouf take it’ when Richardson stood over that free kick too :emoticon-0102-bigsm
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I used to love it when my brother in law would text me to say someone was ****ing **** and shouldn't be on the pitch, you could guarantee what was going to happen in the next 10 minutes
 
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Iain said:
I used to love it when my brother in law would text me to say someone was ****ing **** and shouldn't be on the pitch, you could guarantee what was going to happen in the next 10 minutes
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I’m the exact same haha, gobshite who knows naff all :emoticon-0102-bigsm
 
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Beale Zebub.
I'm sure the club have done their homework.
Most people probably know as much about the contenders as I do.
Not a lot.
Doddsy was the messiah after two games. Then came yesterday's bizarre team selection.
If it is Bealsey then only time will tell whether he's the man.
Boring I know but hey ho. That's me.
 
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Brainman said:
Beale Zebub.
I'm sure the club have done their homework.
Most people probably know as much about the contenders as I do.
Not a lot.
Doddsy was the messiah after two games. Then came yesterday's bizarre team selection.
If it is Bealsey then only time will tell whether he's the man.
Boring I know but hey ho. That's me.
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So it was a team selected, I thought he had just drawn names out of a bag.
 
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Culinary said:
https://www.si.com/soccer/sunderlan...nderland-expect-tactically-from-michael-beale

I don’t know if this article has been posted. @Downeys Loup mentioned it up the page so I sought it out.

It’s enthused me massively. I can see entirely why the club have gone for him (and no, not because Speakman is so pathetically weak and clueless that it just takes a few buzzwords in an interview to win him over :emoticon-0114-dull:)

I couldn’t care less how he speaks to be honest if he improves us as a team, and I think he’s got a very good chance of doing so provided our fans give him a chance rather than self sabotaging by giving him grief from the get go.
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Cheers mate excellent article. Trying to stand back and be a bit more balanced than my initial knee jerk reaction .

From this and other things I've read there is little doubt he is a very good coach and in general players loved him (Rangers faction excluded)

All the feedback I get from my Rangers mates seem to stem from his very antagonistic and frankly unlikeable press conferences. I've watched a few and they are pretty grim. Also maybe his stubbornness and not having a plan B.
My take is that he bit off more than he could chew. Going into Rangers and coaching is one thing but going in as an old school manager expected to do everything just overwhelmed him. His transfers were poor he had a number of players who wouldn't buy into his methods and sin of sins he just didn't get the Celtic rivalry.

Coming into Sunderland will be different although size and expectations of fans and Rivalries with the Mags will be similar.
He is here to do what he does best. Coach and develop young players. There is no doubt he will need to work on his comms style but hopefully he has learned from his Rangers experience.

Still have some doubts Not having a plan B and stubborn tactical style worry me also his Lee Johnson esq talk wont go down well with some.
But you never know the potential is certainly there Its possible the club may have just unearthed the right fit to move us forward.
 
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