General Election 2019

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General Election 2019

  • Labour

    Votes: 12 36.4%
  • Tory

    Votes: 9 27.3%
  • Lib. Dem

    Votes: 6 18.2%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 1 3.0%
  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 2 6.1%
  • SNP

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • None of the above

    Votes: 2 6.1%
  • My legs because they support me

    Votes: 1 3.0%

  • Total voters
    33
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I also miss the posts of Leo (not so much W_Y because I cannot respect a poster who turns up throws insults in all directions and then disappears again). Can you give any examples of posters who have been instantly abused (I mean personally). You should try going on the QPR forum occasionally - being called a liar is mild on there, but they do stay and fight their corner.

I do not accept we should allow abuse just because it appears elsewhere. I am all for robust debates but once it sinks below the polite stage it rapidly deteriorates. W_Y had to put up with some pretty nasty abuse, he was bound to retaliate. You will just have to believe me when I say I have had PMs from 'Tory' posters who just give up after a short while.

Ultimately the forum needs to decide if it just wants a Tory / Brexit bashing platform or a proper forum.
 
Rough & tumble is ok, personal abuse and calling other posters 'liars' is not. There just happens to be a hardcore of Tory haters and anti Brexiteers on this thread that has dominated for years. We have had instances where any new right of centre and/or Brexiteer posters have been instantly abused to give them the impression they are not welcome on this thread. Of course feelings run high but this is only a forum mainly for like minded Watford supporters. I miss the posts of guys like W-Y and Leo, the forum is much poorer because of their absence.

I asked you for evidence for the claims you made. You tried and failed to prove your points. In that case, you should have acknowledged that.

But you didn't, you tried to squirm your way out of it. You were caught lying and instead just doubled down.
 
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'Northern Ireland has got a great deal. It has got a great deal. You keep free movement, you keep access to the single market", so says Johnson today. If access to these is so good for one part of the UK, why isn't the rest of the UK having the same deal?

I was about to post an article on the same subject. Boris was also telling them that they won't need to fill in any more paperwork, which members of his cabinet have said isn't true.

It's baffling that he can openly say that staying in the SM/CU is a great deal whilst simultaneously dragging us out of it. Surely this proves that Brexit isn't for the benefit of the nation, just a handful of rich people and the Conservative party.
 
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I asked you for evidence for the claims you made. You tried and failed to prove your points. In that case, you should have acknowledged that.

But you didn't, you tried to squirm your way out of it. You were caught lying and instead just doubled down.

Don't blame me for your lack of ability in finding the YouGov poll. I even gave you the date it was published. It clearly stated Boris was more popular than Corbyn amongst the 18 -24 year olds along with every other age group. It is no secret that Corbyn is very unpopular.
 
I do not accept we should allow abuse just because it appears elsewhere. I am all for robust debates but once it sinks below the polite stage it rapidly deteriorates. W_Y had to put up with some pretty nasty abuse, he was bound to retaliate. You will just have to believe me when I say I have had PMs from 'Tory' posters who just give up after a short while.

Ultimately the forum needs to decide if it just wants a Tory / Brexit bashing platform or a proper forum.
'You will just have to believe me' sounds a bit like party electioneering SH. You say 'I have had PMs from Tory posters who just gave up' so I think it is applicable that you back up that statement with cases.
 
In contrast to Labour's proposed uncontrolled immigration, Priti Patel has announce a sensible points based immigration system including a fast track NHS visa. This will enable the UK to take the best applicants from around the world. Simultaneously it will ensure non access to those not considered beneficial to the UK's needs.
 
'You will just have to believe me' sounds a bit like party electioneering SH. You say 'I have had PMs from Tory posters who just gave up' so I think it is applicable that you back up that statement with cases.

They were private PMs which I will not reveal.
 
Here is your chance SH. Explain to the remainers on here why Johnson says staying in the customs union and single market is so good, yet he wants to take the bulk of the UK out of it.
 
Don't blame me for your lack of ability in finding the YouGov poll. I even gave you the date it was published. It clearly stated Boris was more popular than Corbyn amongst the 18 -24 year olds along with every other age group. It is no secret that Corbyn is very unpopular.
I have found it only on a Telegraph article - unfortunately analyzing it wuld involve paying for the privilege - which I am not prepared to do. However I am prepared to believe there might be something behind it - for all his bluster and lies Bojo does come over as having some elements of humour - something lacking in Corbyn. Certainly I could not imagine going out for a pint with Corbyn. But that is not the point - Corbyn doesn't personalize politics and neither do I - it is the parties policies which are important and not their figurehead. The young are disappointed that Corbyn has not turned out to be a blood and guts remainer - I can understand that. The older Labour Brexiteers in the north hate him for another reason - he really can't win. The Blairite right of the party hates him - and the Tories have realized that, in the absence of real arguments, the cry of anti semitism will complete the picture. Worth remembering here that overall 80% of Jews in the UK. voted for Thatcher, and so many of them may have other reasons for beating Corbyn over the head, and anti semitism is a handy weapon to do it with.
 
I have found it only on a Telegraph article - unfortunately analyzing it wuld involve paying for the privilege - which I am not prepared to do. However I am prepared to believe there might be something behind it - for all his bluster and lies Bojo does come over as having some elements of humour - something lacking in Corbyn. Certainly I could not imagine going out for a pint with Corbyn. But that is not the point - Corbyn doesn't personalize politics and neither do I - it is the parties policies which are important and not their figurehead. The young are disappointed that Corbyn has not turned out to be a blood and guts remainer - I can understand that. The older Labour Brexiteers in the north hate him for another reason - he really can't win. The Blairite right of the party hates him - and the Tories have realized that, in the absence of real arguments, the cry of anti semitism will complete the picture. Worth remembering here that overall 80% of Jews in the UK. voted for Thatcher, and so many of them may have other reasons for beating Corbyn over the head, and anti semitism is a handy weapon to do it with.

Is it only Tories like myself that want to keep the hapless Corbyn in office?

Whatever you think about policies etc, it must be hard for anybody, except maybe Momentum comrades, to say Corbyn has not been a total disaster for socialist causes.
 
Don't blame me for your lack of ability in finding the YouGov poll. I even gave you the date it was published. It clearly stated Boris was more popular than Corbyn amongst the 18 -24 year olds along with every other age group. It is no secret that Corbyn is very unpopular.

No, you said Corbyn was an antisemite. I asked you for proof of this, you had none.

I'm still waiting...
 
In addition to explaining to us why staying in the customs union and the single market is so good, perhaps you would also like to explain why Johnson is saying that no paperwork between NI and GB will be required when the governments own documents say the opposite. Does he not understand, or could he be telling untruths?
 
Not much I can say about that - if you believe it then fine !

Brexit has reduced political discourse to this, feelings, beliefs and opinions are masqueraded as facts. It's the result of too much blatant lying and U-turns from the Government, with people just being told what is good and what is bad and parroting it back to others.

Corbyn is the perfect example, he's pretty much a harmless left-wing politician who has always campaigned for peace and other worthwhile causes, but apparently now he's a racist, too old/sick to govern, hates the British people, looks scruffy, too scared to start wars, a champagne socialist and the biggest threat to national security and the economy since WW2. (probably forgotten a few of the lies and slurs thrown at him over the last 4 years)

Boris though? Great chap!
 
Which post did I call Corbyn an anti semite?

You were promoting views that associated Corbyn with being an antisemite. If you didn't agree with them then you didn't state it.

Do you think Corbyn is an antisemite?
 
You were promoting views that associated Corbyn with being an antisemite. If you didn't agree with them then you didn't state it.

Do you think Corbyn is an antisemite?

So you got your knickers in a twist for nothing. :emoticon-0102-bigsm

I quoted the fact that many people, including Cobyn's fellow Labour MPs call him out as an anti semite. The vast majority of Jewish people think he is an anti semite. I do not need to prove his culpability either way, I am just pleased it helps makes him and his party deeply unattractive with the electorate.
 
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