Off Topic Europe
- Thread starter Billy Death
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Our economic strength dictates our ability to get a good deal, not protesters. Tories have been struggling with from the off(Cause we're in a weak negotiating position), long before opposition started building momentum.
EU hold all the cards, they always have, cause we've entered into it in a weak position, protesters or not that doesn't change.
What we should have done is with the results imo, is announced intention to prepare to leave at put a long term structure plan in place to give us a strong hand at the negotiation table when the time came . But Cameron spat his dummy, plunged the country into the ****, quit his job and ****ed off.
What I am trying to say is if the government thought an area needed a £100m to go in and the EU was going to bang in £100m it would be pretty pointless to stick another £100m in on top as its our own money going in in the first place.
Still can't see this weak position you talk about because everything I have read ( mind that could be ****e ) always says our exports are lower than our imports so how does that make us weaker?
Bill, I want to leave, and the reason is because of the influx of crime and terror as a result of immigration, asylum. My reason to want to leave is the same as those who voted leave, But I voted remain because I feel we need to put some graft in to make it possible first. Now is not the time imo. But at the same time, if the Tories changed their mind and decided to remain, i've no faith what so ever that they'd start taking the required steps to leave. I think we're damned no matter what happens sadly. By the time we have control of our own boarders, no ****er will want so sneak in here cause of the poverty.
That's a possibility in all fairness.
May is a ****ing train crash.
That said, would Corbyn have fared any better iyo?
I find it strange that you don't think the British people will do better if we leave they will have come through a lot worse than this mate
Talking hypothetical figures here aye?
But if we leave the EU it will leave a 100m hole in the economy, that's before the pound plummets. The government will need to plug every short fall in every region or let it deteriorate. The North east is what it is because of EU Funding, they invest heavily in private ventures, this stimulates the local economy. We'd need a magic money tree to support business across the country where the EU has pulled out.
I don't think a strong deal is achievable under anybody if we leave now.
Tbf it's a little more complicated than that in reality.
Things erdf and esf money invested in places like Sunderland wouldn't have been as accessible without the EU.
Also I think it was heseltine who explained that the "savings" people speak of if we left the EU is nonsense if we see what places like Switzerland have to pay to get certain trade deals etc.
Thing is even the foreign aid budget when paid into a central pot and distributed saves money compared to us having to do it ourselves because now we need a dept and personnel which we have to pay for as we as the logistics.
It reminds me of when Stoke decided to go for an elected mayor, his £70k salary and costs for his office meant cuts elsewhere which hurt people. Not surprisingly it didn't last, which again cost money. The knock on effect went on for a while
Aye it was hypothetical, what baffles me is we put more in than we take out so how can we end up with less to give in funding?
It's where our imports and exports come and go from that's the issue though. 44% of our exports are to EU countries. 53% of our imports are from EU countries. Without preparation how can we cope with potentially the plug being pulled or held to ransom on taxes?
I find it strange that you don't think the British people will do better if we leave they will have come through a lot worse than this mate
Because small business across the country are interwoven with EU businesses. It's going to make a lot of people bankrupt when the tax hikes and plundering pound make them insolvent. It's a massive plunge into the unknown for these business, and there's no time to prepare for every eventuality. So many complications.
Depends how you look at it.
On one hand we seem to be paying in more then we get out, as the 8th biggest contributor but then Our annual contribution is equivalent to £340 for each household and yet the CBI (Confederation of British Industry) says that all the trade, investment, jobs and lower prices that come from our economic partnership with Europe is worth £3000 per year to every household.
I don't think a single year of surplus guarantees future financial stability like, that surplus is more than wiped out in an instant if the EU pull the plug. It was only £184m we'd be back to heavy borrowing or let the country deteriorate. You know full well the Tory will take the deterioration option then tell us it's what we wanted.
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Well one thing I can honestly say is I was good at maths at school so if we apply the same taxation on our imports as they do on our exports we should be better off not worse off unless you do maths a different way to me.