Ah right, so some people in politics have this understanding but other s don't. I wish they wore a badge so I knew who were who.
No, i'm fine with all parties as long as 1. their policies best fit my view of the world and 2. they have a good record of implementing said policies previously. Yup, the privatisation of the NHS is ongoing, but if we were to remain in the EU, i think there are far more hurdles to re-nationalising it if there was appetite to do it then if we were to be out. What in particular makes you feel that we are heading towards a US model and what about the EU thinks that we are heading away from the EU model? The way i see it, with the EU we are more of an EU model whereby the common person is even further away from the people who hold the power and it's purely the corporations who are able to lobby and influence the top positions.
It's been a continuing trend throughout my lifetime. I don't see the EU as being the polar opposite of the US at all, just the lesser of two evils.
You do realise that there are economists that "work in the field" and politicians that "work in the field" on both sides don't you? I think when opinion is around 50/50 you cant blame it all on Wayne and Waynettas
Haha. I've never given stuff like that away on here and I ain't starting now. It's not relevant, because I'm not claiming to be an expert at all, I was just pointing out that there are many out there and most seem to be of the opinion that we should stay in. I dislike party politics as much as anyone, but you don't need to like people, or approve of what they do, to acknowledge that they have some expertise.
That's what i was asking... what practically is making us more towards a US model? More Corporations? Squeezing out of local communities by big chains? Any particular insights? Also with respect to the EU, but they have been giving rules and regulations for a while and you are seeing a trend towards a US model, is that in spite of the EU or part of the problem with the EU?
In spite of. This is part of my point - I don't think we are dictated to by the EU anything like as much as is being made out.
That's fair enough, with respect to the people who are overwhelmingly in, from my perspective it's all a vested interest. Short term, i'm in agreement that the economy will be worse off (not to tobes level where we'll turn into a third world country). It will probably impact on me negatively being a multiple house owner. If i think the EU is pro EU with all their lobby powers, is it any surprise these big corporations want to stay in? With respect to the politicians, some of them seem opportunistic like Boris, some are just on the gravy train and get paid handsomely to stay in the EU like the Kinnocks. Is it a surprise that the UKIP MEPs are voting out though when they are making a fortune. Others have a vested interest like the Greens because the EU is very good to the environment. You seem to disregard other experts who say we are better of out like the direct general of british commerce who thinks we should be out or others like the Goldman Sachs Managing Director
How is it less evil, it has power over more people than the USSR ever had, power breads power and eventually megalomaniacs. The common market was a very good idea when it was proposed, the developments since have been heading to a super state led by un-elected individuals with a common aim which goes beyond the reach of trade.
Of course it's a vested interest, I've never tried to say otherwise. I distrust them all, because they're all pursuing their own ends. But saying that, I could turn the tables - what then is the point in leaving? In or out, the same type of people will still be running the show, and it won't be for our benefit.
