Winter transfer window

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Been mulling over this all weekend. I have 17 days worth of patience with this model. If we start February without an experienced CDM (not Evans) and/or without an experienced striker then I think I'm done.
 
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FellTop said:
It was me who said that mate, Clocky was quoting me.

Believe me I am not advocating reckless spending. I am all for a sensible approach. Part of me is making a case to stop whinging about coaches when we are being readily outspent. Another part of me doesnt think the 4th lowest wage bill in the league should be where we need to be anymore. I am assuming we have room to manouvre, and that is what I am arguing for.

I am all behind the owners. They are doing a good job. I just feel we should have a bit more behind us now to squeeze the accelerator a bit more. Might be wrong, but just sharing my observations.
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Cheers mate but I keep seeing the same thing repeated again and again by various posters.

It's called 'flexibility' or investment but, imo, the reality would be KLD pumping in money.

Fulham lost about £1m a week to go up, QPR lost half that to end up plummeting towards L1.

I've accepted sustainability, a squad learning on the job and a different way to progress ...

... lets face it our 'progress' has been limited in the past.
 
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FellTop said:
£10m is unrealistic for him, no way. What they paid has no bearing on what they get. Norwich have some challenges with FFP according my in laws and they need to hustle. A loan now, to shift wages, might well be attractive. The numbers would work for both sides if an obligation to buy. Writing it off as undoable doesnt sit well with me.

If not Sargeant we need to be bold. Buying young lads from Europe wont cut it alone. At some point we need to make a move in players that will impact today. Ryan Hardie is tailor made for us, he has to be achievable, otherwise we are miles off any sort of promotion push.

We moan like mad about coaches on here, without much consideration of the tools he has to work with. We keep buying players who might be ok, not ones who will be ok. It needs a mindshift at the club, and a rebalancing of approach, or we stop expecting coaches to have magic wands.

Maybe I am impatient. This Jan we have a chance to push. I hope they take it. It has to be a player with high level experience though, no more untested lads. Maybe it wont happen and we will raise £40m in the summer and go again. But as it stands we need some real help on the pitch.
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Norwich are not in FFP trouble and Sargent is a seriously valuable asset to them. They have no reason to make a loss on him.
 
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Iain said:
So he wanted the club to be self sufficient before he got his inheritance,
I think it was well know that he was going to get that inheritance. So what your saying is now he has it he should be spending even though from day one he wanted the club to be self sufficient
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It was in the public domain for years tbh.
 
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Iain said:
We are in to year 3, we have another 2 seasons after this one, its the people questioning why he isn't going all out to get promoted this season, I'm sure he would love to but he will stick to his plan, I'm sure he wouldn't have thought in our first season in the championship we would have been so close to promotion
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I don’t know this, I guess I have a bit of it so maybe it’s just me, but I think some are scared if we don’t get up we lose our stars. Inevitably we will lose some anyway like it’s just a different level up.
 
TopCat_ said:
Been mulling over this all weekend. I have 17 days worth of patience with this model. If we start February without an experienced CDM (not Evans) and/or without an experienced striker then I think I'm done.
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For me I don't particularly care about the experience part but leaving this window without a specialist defensive midfielder and specialist striker would be criminal and detrimental to all the work that has been done before. Some round pegs for round holes.
 
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Sour Patch said:
For me I don't particularly care about the experience part but leaving this window without a specialist defensive midfielder and specialist striker would be criminal and detrimental to all the work that has been done before. Some round pegs for round holes.
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I'd love us to sign both of those players but I'm struggling to think who it would be.

Foreign is out because they often take too long to settle.

Championship could only be from those not in play-off contention so not many of those.

PL can only be loans or a punt on someone who's failed.

Lower league is a minefield and not guaranteed to be better than what we already have.

I'd like us to put Rusyn or Mayenda in for every game and move Hume or Seelt into the DM role.

I really believe we have a good team there and better than the likes of Hull, etc ...

... the players need to step up, they're just a little off the pace imo.
 
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Sour Patch said:
For me I don't particularly care about the experience part but leaving this window without a specialist defensive midfielder and specialist striker would be criminal and detrimental to all the work that has been done before. Some round pegs for round holes.
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Agree to a point but when we sign 18yo Eduardo Prost from Auxerre B and ask him to make his professional debut screening the back 4 away to Middlesbrough then I might lose my ****
 
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Agree to a point but when we sign 18yo Eduardo Prost from Auxerre B and ask him to make his professional debut screening the back 4 away to Middlesbrough then I might lose my ****
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:emoticon-0140-rofl::emoticon-0140-rofl::emoticon-0140-rofl: This club tests patience like no other
 
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Agree to a point but when we sign 18yo Eduardo Prost from Auxerre B and ask him to make his professional debut screening the back 4 away to Middlesbrough then I might lose my ****
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Scary how accurate you could be here <laugh>
 
Smug in Boots said:
This post isn't a dig at you personally mate ...

... please believe me, I'm getting enough flak already.

I keep seeing *this sentiment being repeated and it just screams 'slippery slope' to me I'm afraid.It's always 'just a little bit more, just a little bit more'. I'm no different to you and want signings then more signings until we buy our way into the PL. Sadly I've seen it all before whereby clubs bring in better players on better wages which means increasing the wages of existing players.

If it fails there's the summer window where you can buy more players and chase 'what you've lost'.

Before long you become a gambler forever chasing your losses until, one day, the bailiffs turn up and you become another Reading.

Of course I'm simplifying things but there are so many Championship clubs on the brink, like Bristol City, it makes me shudder.
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Do you think we need significant investment or are you happy to keep signing cheap promising youngsters? We all want the best for our club but it’s obvious we lack quality and we can’t afford another window of signing potential.
We need players to come in and make an impact now.
 
LBW said:
Do you think we need significant investment or are you happy to keep signing cheap promising youngsters? We all want the best for our club but it’s obvious we lack quality and we can’t afford another window of signing potential.
We need players to come in and make an impact now.
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That's quite a tricky set of questions tbh.

'Do you think we need significant investment' ... I'm not sure what we've already spent and don't know how you'd define 'significant'.

'Are you happy to keep signing cheap promising youngsters?' ... absolutely providing we're also prepared to look at anyone who can improve us.

'It’s obvious we lack quality' .. we have loads of quality, hence the interest from PL clubs.

'We need players to come in and make an impact now.' ... I'd agree but we also need our current players to step up.

What I wouldn't want is panic, as we had signing the likes of Grigg, and still failing to go up.

I'd rather do our best, with the squad we have, and buy in the summer then have a real go next season.

I'm not far off 70 mate, so want success now, but I don't want to repeat the same old mistakes we've made so often before.
 
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Smug in Boots said:
That's quite a tricky set of questions tbh.

'Do you think we need significant investment' ... I'm not sure what we've already spent and don't know how you'd define 'significant'.

'Are you happy to keep signing cheap promising youngsters?' ... absolutely providing we're also prepared to look at anyone who can improve us.

'It’s obvious we lack quality' .. we have loads of quality, hence the interest from PL clubs.

'We need players to come in and make an impact now.' ... I'd agree but we also need our current players to step up.

What I wouldn't want is panic, as we had signing the likes of Grigg, and still failing to go up.

I'd rather do our best, with the squad we have, and buy in the summer then have a real go next season.

I'm not far off 70 mate, so want success now, but I don't want to repeat the same old mistakes we've made so often before.
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The Grigg signing actually made sense at the time, he’d scored goals everywhere he had been. The problem was we massively overpaid and he didn’t wanna be here.
 
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