Walter Out

[PLT]

We spent big money this summer and we have a good squad.

Last summer we didn't spend much at all in comparison.

I don't know why this idea that last season's squad was significantly stronger is so popular. I suppose it comes from the hype around our January spending, but judging an entire squad based on the half-season loans of two or three proven quality players plus a few cheap unknowns who barely played seems a flawed measure to me.

 

[HCAFCHangout]

Comparing Rosie and Tim is bonkers.

They were both stubborn and stuck in their ways, for whatever reason they think they know best and stick by that.

The difference is the level of backing they both received, that's not to say Acun has purposefully hamstrung Tim, but the calibre of player we've brought in this season isn't at the same level.

We have no idea what Tim would do with last season's Squad nor what Rosie would have done with this season's Squad, nor whether the players that joined last season joined because of Rosie or not, so it's all a bit pointless really, init.

How is it bonkers? Regardless of whether you agree with the Rosenior sacking you can’t deny Acun has made the bed that he has to lie in with it.

He sacked the manager that led to our best finish since being relegated from the premier league under Marco Silva. That inherently was going to be a shadow for whichever manager came in had to stand in.

Yes it may be a bit pointless about the styles of play and some finer details but when the sacking of Rosenior literally split the fan base opinion in 2 you’re going to have a large share of them question it.

 

[bradymk2]

We spent big money this summer and we have a good squad.

Last summer we didn't spend much at all in comparison.

I don't know why this idea that last season's squad was significantly stronger is so popular. I suppose it comes from the hype around our January spending, but judging an entire squad based on the half-season loans of two or three proven quality players plus a few cheap unknowns who barely played seems a flawed measure to me.

How do you think sunday will go

 

[PLT]

How do you think sunday will go

Think James Fletcher's prediction on the 1904 Club sounded about right. They'll do a Sheff United; let us have the ball and hit us on the break. I suppose a lot will come down to whether we can actually do something with it while we have the ball. I won't get my hopes up. It'll probably get ugly when they score, both in terms of the performance falling apart and the crowd turning toxic.

 

[Cityzen]

We talked about populism on the US thread. Sacking Rosenior was a populist decision, appealing to the basic instincts of people who found it easy to believe that a "more attacking" manager would see us score more goals and play better football. It wasn't a nuanced argument but it was one that was popular to latch on to.

Now we have the "more attacking" manager, the absolute poster boy for attacking football supposedly, and it turns out we're scoring fewer goals and are just as frustrating to watch, and now we're also falling apart entirely when we concede a goal and it's all turning sour. This should really put an end to the idea that we ever needed a "more attacking" manager at all, that that was ever the problem, and remind us of the more nuanced qualities we did have under the previous manager which we perhaps undervalued, but which clearly contributed to us competing at the right end of the table.

Populist, nuanced…In other words what a lot of people think is wrong as they can’t think as deeply about things as someone believes they do themself.

 

[Stockholm Tiger]

Comparing Rosie and Tim is bonkers.

They were both stubborn and stuck in their ways, for whatever reason they think they know best and stick by that.

The difference is the level of backing they both received, that's not to say Acun has purposefully hamstrung Tim, but the calibre of player we've brought in this season isn't at the same level.

We have no idea what Tim would do with last season's Squad nor what Rosie would have done with this season's Squad, nor whether the players that joined last season joined because of Rosie or not, so it's all a bit pointless really, init.

They were arguing on the 1904 Club that the squad this season is actually better. It doesn't have the same superstar quality of some of the players we had but their argument was that its much more balanced with deeper cover across the pitch with less need to play people out of position.

All subjective of course and not MY point.

I do think though, that this squad is better than the tune TW is currently getting out of them.

BTW I agree with your last point.

 

[bradymk2]

Theres no doubt about it

Our squad is better than 3 wins in 14, thats an absolute fact

 

[HCAFCHangout]

They were arguing on the 1904 Club that the squad this season is actually better. It doesn't have the same superstar quality of some of the players we had but their argument was that its much more balanced with deeper cover across the pitch with less need to play people out of position.

All subjective of course and not MY point.

I do think though, that this squad is better than the tune TW is currently getting out of them.

BTW I agree with your last point.

This squad is far more balanced in my opinion. Last season’s squad had a better striker when he was fit. You put Liam Delap in this team and I don’t think we are arguing about Walter out

 

[Tony Angelino]

Comparing Rosie and Tim is bonkers.

They were both stubborn and stuck in their ways, for whatever reason they think they know best and stick by that.

The difference is the level of backing they both received, that's not to say Acun has purposefully hamstrung Tim, but the calibre of player we've brought in this season isn't at the same level.

We have no idea what Tim would do with last season's Squad nor what Rosie would have done with this season's Squad, nor whether the players that joined last season joined because of Rosie or not, so it's all a bit pointless really, init.

100000000%

 

[Amin Arrears]

Rosey had a £110m squad and didn’t deliver. But he’s a new manager, he was learning, and I think he would have become more adaptable as time went on. Sacking him was not a good decision, it sent a bad message out to the rest of the industry and was just a bit bizarre, it also threw all the carefully and well build foundation we had spent 18 months working on in the bin.

Walter is a totally different proposition, couldn’t be bothered to build up a solid base, couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery, everything is just a mess currently. There is no point giving him any more time because this is just what Walter’s management is like.

I think Acun is just holding on so as not to be seen to be bowing to pressure, which I suppose he needs to show he has that kind of resolve after the impromptu sacking of Rosenior.

I would say Walter is as good as gone already it’s just a matter of timing and delivery. This season is ****ed already so there is no great rush really.

 

[originallambrettaman]

The value of Rosie's squad is going up by about £10m an hour.

 

[JoelTheTiger]

We spent big money this summer and we have a good squad.

Last summer we didn't spend much at all in comparison.

I don't know why this idea that last season's squad was significantly stronger is so popular. I suppose it comes from the hype around our January spending, but judging an entire squad based on the half-season loans of two or three proven quality players plus a few cheap unknowns who barely played seems a flawed measure to me.

There was much less of a rebuild last summer, we had a core team already and supplemented with a few loans.

We’ve signed some potential this summer but the amount we’ve spent doesn’t automatically equal quality - for example Giles and Kamara were similarly priced to Philogene but nowhere near his level of quality.

 

[nbetiger]

Fair play for going mate.

arrived back at the mkm gone 2am my choice to go mind ,seems acun is still backing walter according to the hdm

 

[Cityzen]

arrived back at the mkm gone 2am my choice to go mind ,seems acun is still backing walter according to the hdm

Talking to some lads from .Brid who went and they were surprised at the vitriol hurled Tim’s way.

 

[Ajbtiger]

That George Elek is far too sensible to be on the 1904 podcast.

 

[Ric Glasgow]

We talked about populism on the US thread. Sacking Rosenior was a populist decision, appealing to the basic instincts of people who found it easy to believe that a "more attacking" manager would see us score more goals and play better football. It wasn't a nuanced argument but it was one that was popular to latch on to.

Now we have the "more attacking" manager, the absolute poster boy for attacking football supposedly, and it turns out we're scoring fewer goals and are just as frustrating to watch, and now we're also falling apart entirely when we concede a goal and it's all turning sour. This should really put an end to the idea that we ever needed a "more attacking" manager at all, that that was ever the problem, and remind us of the more nuanced qualities we did have under the previous manager which we perhaps undervalued, but which clearly contributed to us competing at the right end of the table.

I for one was shocked when he got rid of Rosenior.I wasn't a huge fan of the Football being churned out but it was a big call to make and I'm still not entirely convinced Acun got rid of him solely because he didn't like his style of Football.

I think there's much more to this than meets the eye.

Maybe there was huge disappointment that he couldn't get us into the play-offs,maybe he had flung all his eggs in one basket in a desperate attempt at promotion,maybe Rosenior was unhappy that his full squad was to be dismantled due to us not going up?

Many say that he got rid of him because the fans were becoming restless and Acun was bowing to fan pressure?If that were the case and given last-nights reaction from our own support,Tim Walter would not be leading us into battle this Sunday?

 

[Benjo]

I for one was shocked when he got rid of Rosenior.I wasn't a huge fan of the Football being churned out but it was a big call to make and I'm still not entirely convinced Acun got rid of him solely because he didn't like his style of Football.

I think there's much more to this than meets the eye.

Maybe there was huge disappointment that he couldn't get us into the play-offs,maybe he had flung all his eggs in one basket in a desperate attempt at promotion,maybe Rosenior was unhappy that his full squad was to be dismantled due to us not going up?

Many say that he got rid of him because the fans were becoming restless and Acun was bowing to fan pressure?If that were the case and given last-nights reaction from our own support,Tim Walter would not be leading us into battle this Sunday?

I think your last paragraph there perfectly dispels that myth.

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

Frankly yes we could be in this situation. I’d imagine there would be people calling for his head as a result.

The fact is for me under Rosenior we had 2 things that this team currently doesn’t. A way of winning games despite being boring sometimes. Especially in the first half of the season. And secondly, that team had some fight in it at times. They did want to play for him and that always showed. The trend of being a 45 minute team at the moment under Walter suggests to me that’s not the case

I disagree they certainly didn’t give up second half they were stillfighting and battling to the end hence it was only 1-0

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

We spent big money this summer and we have a good squad.

Last summer we didn't spend much at all in comparison.

I don't know why this idea that last season's squad was significantly stronger is so popular. I suppose it comes from the hype around our January spending, but judging an entire squad based on the half-season loans of two or three proven quality players plus a few cheap unknowns who barely played seems a flawed measure to me.

Tufan delap Billy Jean carvalho Seri walk straight in to this team no doubt at all
Only one of them was signed in January
FACT

 

[Ajbtiger]

Tufan delap Billy Jean carvalho Seri walk straight in to this team no doubt at all
Only one of them was signed in January
FACT

So does Connolly and Ohio which says it all about our striking options.