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What are you talking about? You don't think Individuals win big games?.. It happens all the time!
When your the most talented player in a young team (or one of) you need to be the one deciding the big moments. Scoring the goals, creating the goals, driving the side to victory.
It's all well and good assisting against West Bromwich Albion but then being totally invisible while we get wrecked 10-2 by Bayern Munich.
No narrative here mate - I go to games at the Emirates and watched him bottle many big game first hand.
Guy came out on social media and said he wasn't getting games at Arsenal purely because of his political views, he then goes to Fenerbace makes just 37 apps over 2 Seasons - gets dropped and then retires. (at just 33).
He was finished long before he went to Fenerbahce.
Yes, there have been only a handful of players in history that won games on their own and I mean a handful. Maybe 2 or 3.
Games are won through team effort. You can score as many as you like, if you concede more , you lose.
You can put the ball in the back of the net, but if you are playing for a poor team, you won't get the chance.
Emotional fandom analysis that glorifies some players and underplays others has never been useful and never will be.
Yeah - so did I. Season ticket holder during that time.
No player in our history , including Bergkamp and Henry created more chances in a single season than Ozil. In fact, no player from any team in PL history has to this date. 15/16 remains the most creative season by any player ever seen in the PL.
if you were actually watching the games you would have seen all 146 of the chances he created.
To class that season as **** makes you as dumb as a rock - including whilst you were watching... though given your assessment I doubt you watched any games that year.
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No - it's a team game so no-one really wins a game on their own but you know when i'm saying that I just mean 'creates a goal for themself' or produces a deciding moment of magic that decides a big match.
If were talking Arsenal..
Henry vs United 2000 or , Henry vs Real Madrid 2006, Alexis Sanchez FA Cup Final... Michael Thomas vs Liverpool 1989.
or even Fabregas vs Juventus 2006 Champions League quatre final. Ozil never produced a moment or even performance like this against a top side despite how long he was at the Club. Weak.
You are talking about big moments for players in games.
You can not say any of those moments were done alone.
How does Thomas score his goal, for example, if Smith does not play the ball to him or Lukic doesn't make the quick accurate throw to Dixon, and Dixon doesn't play it accurately into Smith? Or, indeed, if the Liverpool defence doesn't **** things up .
Ozil produced many moments against big sides.
I already pointed out that 22 of his goals and assists in the PL came against big sides... and that's not even counting his play leading to a final pass - something he was expert at , laying the ball through the lines for a winger to cross.
Just because they all didn't win games is irrelevant - the losses we had were the responsibility of the team, not an individual player... and that is the real nub of your argument... we didn't win a enough games to win the league and you are trying to place that on one player. You are basically relegating football analysis of players to whether they scored a winning goal in a big game you can remember, like a final of a Cup. Most players don't do that.
What a load of old nonsense !!
Nobody said football is just about attacking or just about defending, I made the point pretty clearly that offensive players should focus on attacking and defensive players focus on defending. Nobody ever said ignore defending!
Yes, nobody wants to be a Zubimendi because as we have seen his game is entirely limited to crab football. Declan Rice has a swashbuckling style, he is all over the pitch and his ball striking in offensive situations is top level. Gabriel is a defender first, but his desire and ability in the attacking box makes him an cult hero, thats why I didn't choose either player.
You show a distinct lack of understanding of a very basic argument in your next paragraph lol. Of course people wanted to be Patrick Vieira, like Rice he had w swashbuckling style, driving forward with the ball.
Of course players wanted to be Tony Adams, he was the best captain the club has had in my lifetime. An organiser of men, an incredible reader of the game and who can forget that half volley goal.
Of course people want to be Keane or Beckenbauer because they did everything well, they battled and they could attack, the perfect midfielders.
Nobody wants to be a one dimensional footballer with limited ability whose only attribute is the ability to run up and down all day, like Carlton Palmer lol, a key is in the example(s) I gave you.
Ozil did nothing for us? So I guess neither then did Fabregas or Van Persie or no other footballer bought from 2005 up to this season's squad, if your only metric is did they win the league for us. Foolish argument and you know it.
Teams attack as a team and defend as a team.
I don't get this where this idea came from that attack is about offensive players and defending is just about defensive players.
Any team who don't defend as a team in the PL is not going to be successful.
Out of possession all teams need to have defensive organisation and all players have defensive duties. That's been the norm in football for decades.
Your just arguing for the sake of it.
In one paragraph you say "that offensive players should focus on attacking and defensive players focus on defending"
and then go on to say..."Of course people want to be Keane or Beckenbauer because they did everything well, they battled and they could attack"
Can you not see how you are contradicting yourself?!
I'm the one here saying being good at football isn't just playing attacking football. You were the one saying attackers shouldn't defend. (laughable)
Van Persie and Fabregas DID win us big games. Thats the point. Ozil didn't.
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So hypothetically a team wins but they carry three terrible individuals who contribute nothing - by your logic they are noworse than the rest of the team and deserve just as much credit.
Your argument makes no sense, yes it's a team game.. but individuals decide matches all the ****ing time.
Your argument makes no sense, yes it's a team game.. but individuals decide matches all the ****ing time.
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Thats not what I said - some players are better than others, but no player wins the game on his own.
That cant be controversial for anyone who follows the game.
As for Ozil - his first 3 Years he was one of our better players and in 15/16 specifically he was easily our best player and reached a level above any creative player we've had in the PL bar Henry and Bergkamp. Team of the year in the PL and German player of the year.
That one year does not make him a great success, the other 2 years in that first 3 were pretty good but not like 15/16. Then he faded, for reasons that are myriad.
My point is that the only thing calling Ozil **** for Arsenal does is expose the person making that claim as knowing nothing about football.
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No I think the Ozil Arsenal debate just confirms who can and cant change their minds over time.
For the first two Seasons - I defended him against the media and rival fans who were critical. But I just grew tired of watching him shrink and disappear in those high pressure games against City, Bayern etc.
Over time I just felt like the guy let us down.
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He's been gone ages. There is no requirement to change minds.
We know what he did - the greatest creative season in PL history by any player in 15/16. A couple of good seasons 14/15, 16/17 and then a drop off to the point he was not contributing. Reality isn't going to change.
The whole team back then let us down. To isolate one player is folly - especially one who reached a peak in creativity never seen in the PL before or since.
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