Those Barca purists...

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Yes, completely. Persumably you think they werent, I'd love to hear your rationale.

Their players varied from ****e to average.

No, they werent the top 4 in the competiton to decide who is the best team in the pinnacle of club tournament.

Hope this helps.

I really dont see why people keep referencing competions that clubs openly admit arent a priority. Youre comparing apples with yachts.

<doh> I suspect it's to make a point as that is exactly what you're doing. <doh>

Most European teams don't give a **** about the Club World Cup, whereas, in Brasil it's seen as a big deal. Can you see how this would make them keener to win it and English/European teams more likely to put out weakened sides and not play to the best of their abilities, therefore making it not a full and ultimate indicator of who the best team in the world is.
 
I really do not understand the point you are trying to make.

It is not hard to understand - sometimes in a knock out competition (such as the Champions League) the best team does not always win it.
Take the league cup for instance - teams play weakened teams throughout the competition resulting in you having a final such as Swansea v Bradford

Can you tell me the last time a load of teams played a weakened line-up in the Champions League allowing someone else to win it?

And it honestly really is hard for me to understand, perhaps I'm missing something. If 'the best team doesnt always win' I go back to the point of what all this is about - what makes them the best team if it isnt results? The one that plays the prettiest football? The one with the most recognised names in its team? The snazziest kit?
 
Their players varied from ****e to average.

Oh so now the best individual players make the best team. I thought it was TEAM performance. We're getting somewhere.... And from memory Im pretty sure Greece defeated the exceptional Czech Republic side and then the host nation in the final. If only England could be that '****e to average' eh?

Most European teams don't give a **** about the Club World Cup, whereas, in Brasil it's seen as a big deal. Can you see how this would make them keener to win it and English/European teams more likely to put out weakened sides and not play to the best of their abilities, therefore making it not a full and ultimate indicator of who the best team in the world is.

Im sorry but that's the kind of absolute ****ing bollocks trotted out when teams get beat. Like Man Utd saying they didnt take the Europa League seriously when they got absolutely ripped to pieces last season and the reality was they were simply outclassed. If Chelsea had won the WCC all the media and their fans would be saying they were the best team in the world and how amazing it was for the EPL.
 
Yes, completely. Persumably you think they werent, I'd love to hear your rationale.

They went into the tournament as 80-1 outsiders, they were lucky in the run in, got the Czech Republic in the semis and then scored with a set piece in the final, while Portugal were uncharacteristically poor. That's what happens in football, sometimes the best team loses, in a one off game anything can happen.

We beat Arsenal at the Emirates once and we certainly weren't a better team than Arsenal.
 
They went into the tournament as 80-1 outsiders, they were lucky in the run in, got the Czech Republic in the semis and then scored with a set piece in the final, while Portugal were uncharacteristically poor. That's what happens in football, sometimes the best team loses, in a one off game anything can happen.

We beat Arsenal at the Emirates once and we certainly weren't a better team than Arsenal.

Who is talking about 'one-offs'? At every stage this discussion has been about winning tournaments. We didn't finish above Arsenal in the league that year.

Are set pieces not part of football then? Someone had better tell David Beckham. And all odds show is what people are betting on. How is that relevant?
 
Who is talking about 'one-offs'? At every stage this discussion has been about winning tournaments. We didn't finish above Arsenal in the league that year.

Are set pieces not part of football then? Someone had better tell David Beckham. And all odds show is what people are betting on. How is that relevant?

Sorry, I'm a little bored of this now, you claim that the best team always wins a tournament, I claim that's bollocks and the best team can easily be knocked out of a quarter, semi or lose a final for all sorts of reasons. You're obviously not going to change your mind, you never do, so I'd rather not waste any more time on it. <ok>
 
Who is talking about 'one-offs'? At every stage this discussion has been about winning tournaments. We didn't finish above Arsenal in the league that year.

Are set pieces not part of football then? Someone had better tell David Beckham. And all odds show is what people are betting on. How is that relevant?

Sorry, I'm a little bored of this now, you claim that the best team always wins a tournament, I claim that's bollocks and the best team can easily be knocked out of a quarter, semi or lose a final for all sorts of reasons. You're obviously not going to change your mind, you never do, so I'd rather not waste any more time on it. <ok>

It's easy to leave a conversation you know.

And its interesting to point out me not changing my mind when you're doing precisely the same.