So presumably, you think that Greece had the best team in Europe in 2004?
Well if they won they must have
So presumably, you think that Greece had the best team in Europe in 2004?
Yes, completely. Persumably you think they werent, I'd love to hear your rationale.
No, they werent the top 4 in the competiton to decide who is the best team in the pinnacle of club tournament.
Hope this helps.
I really dont see why people keep referencing competions that clubs openly admit arent a priority. Youre comparing apples with yachts.
I suspect it's to make a point as that is exactly what you're doing. 
I really do not understand the point you are trying to make.
It is not hard to understand - sometimes in a knock out competition (such as the Champions League) the best team does not always win it.
Take the league cup for instance - teams play weakened teams throughout the competition resulting in you having a final such as Swansea v Bradford
Their players varied from ****e to average.
Most European teams don't give a **** about the Club World Cup, whereas, in Brasil it's seen as a big deal. Can you see how this would make them keener to win it and English/European teams more likely to put out weakened sides and not play to the best of their abilities, therefore making it not a full and ultimate indicator of who the best team in the world is.
Yes, completely. Persumably you think they werent, I'd love to hear your rationale.
They went into the tournament as 80-1 outsiders, they were lucky in the run in, got the Czech Republic in the semis and then scored with a set piece in the final, while Portugal were uncharacteristically poor. That's what happens in football, sometimes the best team loses, in a one off game anything can happen.
We beat Arsenal at the Emirates once and we certainly weren't a better team than Arsenal.
Who is talking about 'one-offs'? At every stage this discussion has been about winning tournaments. We didn't finish above Arsenal in the league that year.
Are set pieces not part of football then? Someone had better tell David Beckham. And all odds show is what people are betting on. How is that relevant?

Who is talking about 'one-offs'? At every stage this discussion has been about winning tournaments. We didn't finish above Arsenal in the league that year.
Are set pieces not part of football then? Someone had better tell David Beckham. And all odds show is what people are betting on. How is that relevant?
Sorry, I'm a little bored of this now, you claim that the best team always wins a tournament, I claim that's bollocks and the best team can easily be knocked out of a quarter, semi or lose a final for all sorts of reasons. You're obviously not going to change your mind, you never do, so I'd rather not waste any more time on it.![]()
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Rubin need to score 3 more without conceding.

I wouldn't put money on it.![]()
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