Off Topic this is the end

[PINKIE]

Mate I don’t particularly align myself with Tory or Labour, but I do know when you have £1.8Tn debt, you don’t recover £119bn in taxes and attribute all/most of it to the NHS.

Agreed, but that debt is having to be serviced regardless. I know it's not as black and white as this, but the basic rule is that the Govt spends what the Exchequer raises in taxes, plus what it feels it needs to borrow. The debate is on the table about whether to raises taxes to pay for the ever increasing cost of the NHS, my argument is that there is already £119bn per year in taxes that this Govt are too frightened to go after. Even a small proportion of that recovered could be justifiably allocated to NHS/Social care.

 

[Saf]

I don't see the difference between an animal and human dying. Family is family. Love is love.

Of course people should have the right to die. When you see your loved one rolling about a bed screaming in pain it takes everything you have not to stuff a pillow over their face to help them out.

 

[Archers Road]

Well I'm not here to comment whether it was good or bad, it was tragic really. But it was her choice and she went the way she wanted to go.

I can see why she might have chosen that way to go. If she loved the ocean, and wanted to experience it’s elemental force at the end of her life. I doubt I’d have the guts to do it myself, but it’s impossible to imagine what might be in another person’s head anyway at that point.

There aren’t many easy ways to die anyway, except naturally in your sleep, and not many of us are blessed with that.

 

[Tel (they/them)]

Agreed, but that debt is having to be serviced regardless. I know it's not as black and white as this, but the basic rule is that the Govt spends what the Exchequer raises in taxes, plus what it feels it needs to borrow. The debate is on the table about whether to raises taxes to pay for the ever increasing cost of the NHS, my argument is that there is already £119bn per year in taxes that this Govt are too frightened to go after. Even a small proportion of that recovered could be justifiably allocated to NHS/Social care.

I knew that’d be your response, only a small portion of recovered corporation tax blah blah blah, one company leaves the UK and makes 5,000 folk redundant to hedge it’s losses and you’re no better off.

 

[Tel (they/them)]

My gran died of Alzheimer’s and we were told that she only had no real quality of life for a very short period despite being in care for around 5 years. Personally the money she leaves behind is the last thing I’m bothered about, I’d much rather she paid for her last years in this world to be cared for, safe and around lots of people her age.

I guess I’ll assess the situation once I’m in my saggy nappy days, but hopefully my kids won’t be looking at my bank or my assets, because I’ll have done the right thing by then.

 

[Stan]

My gran died of Alzheimer’s and we were told that she only had no real quality of life for a very short period despite being in care for around 5 years. Personally the money she leaves behind is the last thing I’m bothered about, I’d much rather she paid for her last years in this world to be cared for, safe and around lots of people her age.

I guess I’ll assess the situation once I’m in my saggy nappy days, but hopefully my kids won’t be looking at my bank or my assets, because I’ll have done the right thing by then.

You need to do the right thing in advance or the government will take a good chunk of your kids' cash, which I think is deplorable. As someone else pointed out, you've already paid tax to earn it and on any interest you've made on it.

 

[BobbyD]

You need to do the right thing in advance or the government will take a good chunk of your kids' cash, which I think is deplorable. As someone else pointed out, you've already paid tax to earn it and on any interest you've made on it.

Im indifferent to inheritance tax. I understand the double taxation stuff that people arent happy about.

What i truly despise is the gaming of the system by rich people who place their assets in trust bypassing inheritance tax rules

 

[Tel (they/them)]

You need to do the right thing in advance or the government will take a good chunk of your kids' cash, which I think is deplorable. As someone else pointed out, you've already paid tax to earn it and on any interest you've made on it.

Depends which way you look at it, hopefully my kids will be fine without my cash, hopefully I won’t die in a state funded care home, but if I do, then I’d be obliged to pay for it and maybe the gov’t can buy kit to save dying babies rather than footing the bill to keep a decrepit waste of space alive.

 

[Archers Road]

I told my mum and dad ages ago that I’ll be annoyed if there’s a penny left when they go; apart from the house, and if we have to sell that to pay for their care, so be it.

Inherited wealth is a pretty **** concept imo. My son will make his own way in the world, like I did and like his grandparents did, and be a better person for it.

 

[BobbyD]

Can you two boys explain this concept to my wife please (we dont need to leave the world to our kids)

 

[Stan]

Depends which way you look at it, hopefully my kids will be fine without my cash, hopefully I won’t die in a state funded care home, but if I do, then I’d be obliged to pay for it and maybe the gov’t can buy kit to save dying babies rather than footing the bill to keep a decrepit waste of space alive.

I was more referring to the surplus cash once you're gone.

It's sweet that you think the government will use your money to save dying babies though.

 

[Tel (they/them)]

I was more referring to the surplus cash once you're gone.

It's sweet that you think the government will use your money to save dying babies though.

You don’t need to be patronising Stan, the point is that if I can afford to pay for myself then why should others pay the bill?

I don’t pay my taxes so that I can be cared for 40 years from now, I work hard to make sure that happens no matter what.

 

[Chief]

I was more referring to the surplus cash once you're gone.

It's sweet that you think the government will use your money to save dying babies though.

This all quite apt for me right now and am turning over in my head what will happen when the inevitable occurs.

Firstly, while the situation is **** it does mean my old man won't have to spend much time, if any, in care.

Secondly, why the **** should the government have any of any inheritance that might be left once my Mum also goes?

They've taken plenty throughout both my parents' lives (and mine for that matter) for me to think it's ok for them to have even ****ing more when they die.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not yearning for that money and (hopefully as I don't have a crystal ball) don't really need it going forward but I'm ****ed if the government should have it.

 

[FosseFilberto]

We are currently looking at care homes in Cardiff for my mother-in-law (she'll need medical care not just residential) - the better ones cost between £1000 and £1300 a week

 

[Chief]

You don’t need to be patronising Stan, the point is that if I can afford to pay for myself then why should others pay the bill?

I don’t pay my taxes so that I can be cared for 40 years from now, I work hard to make sure that happens no matter what.

Perhaps not but we all pay tax and national insurance through our working lives so 'someone else' isn't paying for it.

Our government should take care of that bill, we've already paid.

 

[Chief]

Or rather, most of us have.

But that's another story, probably for the politics thread.

 

[Tel (they/them)]

Perhaps not but we all pay tax and national insurance through our working lives so 'someone else' isn't paying for it.

Our government should take care of that bill, we've already paid.

Not really, as far as I’m concerned it’s an insurance not a savings account. If I need it and can’t afford treatment then it’s there, if I don’t need it then brilliant.

I also pay taxes for keeping the country safe, I don’t expect to be buried alongside a Eurofighter Typhoon and a Police attack dog.

 

[Stan]

You don’t need to be patronising Stan, the point is that if I can afford to pay for myself then why should others pay the bill?

I don’t pay my taxes so that I can be cared for 40 years from now, I work hard to make sure that happens no matter what.

I wasn't being patronising.

If you can afford to pay for yourself then that's great and I agree that others shouldn't fund you if you can afford it. What I object to is the government hoovering up people's leftover cash that has already been taxed multiple times while it was earned. Tax in life is fine as we all have to pay our share to keep the country afloat but why tax someone for dying? Seems harsh.

What's the justification for it? You paid tax all your life, you funded yourself all your life, you funded your way towards death and when you croak the government takes a large portion of what you didn't have the time or inclination to spend.

I'd rather my kids had it than the government wasted it. I'll have contributed my fair share (and taken out less than my fair share) to the infrastructure of the country by the time I'm worm food.

 

[FosseFilberto]

This all quite apt for me right now and am turning over in my head what will happen when the inevitable occurs.

Firstly, while the situation is **** it does mean my old man won't have to spend much time, if any, in care.

Secondly, why the **** should the government have any of any inheritance that might be left once my Mum also goes?

They've taken plenty throughout both my parents' lives (and mine for that matter) for me to think it's ok for them to have even ****ing more when they die.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not yearning for that money and (hopefully as I don't have a crystal ball) don't really need it going forward but I'm ****ed if the government should have it.

When my mother died back in 2007, the care that she had in the last 12-18 months of her life came out of the value of her house - she lived in a small middle terrace in Leicester - they took close to £20k of the house sale - over a fifth ... ****s ... it wasn't the money that bothered me - she lived her last few months panicking about the erosion of the value of the one thing she had worked all her life for - I actually told her to sell the ****ing house, hire a full time nurse, and go on a round the world cruise ... I was actually serious - she could have then come to live with me once all the money was spent - unfortunately she passed not long after my suggestion. I would vote for any party who abolished that ****ing cruel and heartless rule - or at least ensured that it did not disadvantage ordinary working people

 

[Angry_Physics]

Pasting my comment from the other thread..


The other thing that bothers me about it. Is the social care.. you end up with parents/ grandparents who have saved their whole lives to let their kids inherit something.. yet we keep them alive and put them into care homes and force the sale of the homes and spend their savings to pay for keeping them in a vegative state then the family get**** all.

Vegetative and find your own way you wastrels.

"inheritance", you'd be surprised at how many millions and millions make their way without any


and then there is the kids who want the money and convince the old senile parents they need to kill themselves, or guilt them into doing so. Money grubbing family members are more common than people without inheritance.

We see so very often how the old are swindled because they have lost their wits. I'd imagine it is even easier for family members to do so.

There is nothing more disgusting than families fighting over the money of dying or dead parents, they all deserve a bullet in the head.

**** off