Off Topic this is the end

[FosseFilberto]

I don’t think putting someone’s pension toward their care is bad. But taking their equity in their house and savings is wrong.

Inheritance tax is wrong too. The money has already paid its tax yet to transfer it to someone else they tax it again. This country truly looks after those with money already and takes it from people and families who have a modest amount.

Damn right mate ... if you have no house, money or possessions and have never worked a day in your life the state will still look after you ... work all your life and you will get exactly the same care ... but the state will take what you have worked for as payment for that care ... it's completely ****ed up ...

 

[PINKIE]

We spend far more on the nhs than we ever had. Fact is we live for longer. I’m not suggesting that if your over 80 you get left to die. Especially if you are fit an healthy. What I do suggest is that beds are taken up by old folk for the sole reason they can’t care for themselves.

Should someone that needs exploratory investigations that is young be denied it quickly because the ct scan or x ray or whatever is being taken up by really old folk.

One thing I will say about the nhs, the nursing staff are utterly superb. What is wrong with it is that it is badly run. The doctor that a junior one that saw me was on duty at 7:30am and he was still on duty at 9:30pm he totally ****ed up and forgot about me.

The issue of NHS beds being taken up is directly linked to lacking of funding for social care. And the economics are ridiculous. A care home costs around £1000 per week, whilst an NHS bed costs around £2500 per week. So even if the state paid for care homes, it would still be cheaper than keeping people in hospital.

 

[Sweats]

Damn right mate ... if you have no house, money or possessions and have never worked a day in your life the state will still look after you ... work all your life and you will get exactly the same care ... but the state will take what you have worked for as payment for that care ... it's completely ****ed up ...

I think there should be limit or a much higher minimum amount. I’d say somewhere above 500k in total estate. Ideally higher.

 

[PINKIE]

I think there should be limit or a much higher minimum amount. I’d say somewhere above 500k in total estate. Ideally higher.

Completely agree. People like my parents are getting stung for care costs and they are basically working class people who worked hard, made some money on their house and saved up for their old age, as they were told to do. And for what ? so that they have to give it all back to the state.

 

[Stan]

We spend far more on the nhs than we ever had. Fact is we live for longer. I’m not suggesting that if your over 80 you get left to die. Especially if you are fit an healthy. What I do suggest is that beds are taken up by old folk for the sole reason they can’t care for themselves.

Should someone that needs exploratory investigations that is young be denied it quickly because the ct scan or x ray or whatever is being taken up by really old folk.

One thing I will say about the nhs, the nursing staff are utterly superb. What is wrong with it is that it is badly run. The doctor that a junior one that saw me was on duty at 7:30am and he was still on duty at 9:30pm he totally ****ed up and forgot about me.

The NHS staff are by and large superb, they’re ****ing heroes. We’ve had a couple of distressing experiences with the NHS but apart from one member of staff, who I would have clocked had it not been a woman, they weren’t at fault, they were just too stretched. Boils my blood when people slag them off.

 

[Sweats]

The NHS staff are by and large superb, they’re ****ing heroes. We’ve had a couple of distressing experiences with the NHS but apart from one member of staff, who I would have clocked had it not been a woman, they weren’t at fault, they were just too stretched. Boils my blood when people slag them off.

Most health services are pretty poor. Even private health care. The fact is it is by an large ran inefficiently. The left hand doesn’t know what the right is doing.

The main issue from what I saw is speed of investigation. Everything is too late then you do need hospital care.

 

[BobbyD]

The issue of NHS beds being taken up is directly linked to lacking of funding for social care. And the economics are ridiculous. A care home costs around £1000 per week, whilst an NHS bed costs around £2500 per week. So even if the state paid for care homes, it would still be cheaper than keeping people in hospital.

its tough though, the government spend so much money on social care and thats with them taking peoples homes.

17.5 billion a year is spent on social care (2017 figures).

As for assisted dying, its definitely something we should introduce. Theres a very good article about it in Holland as they have euthanasia there.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-...sted-dying&link_location=live-reporting-story

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-45117163

I'd be all for that.

If i ever suffered from dementia i'd want to be assisted to death too. **** being a burden. If i sat at home and watched tv all day and was still sound of mind then i'd take that as living though. Would probably retire to HK and have a maid there to do all the cooking and cleaning for me.

 

[Sweats]

Does anyone know someone who owns care homes?

I know two. They are both chauffeur driven and minted beyond belief. Elderly care should be non profit and give them the care they deserve.

 

[PINKIE]

Maybe this isn't the thread to mention this, as it probably belongs on the politics thread, but I'm going to anyway.

Regarding the cost of social care and people having to sell their houses to pay for their care, we have each year a £119bn hole in the exchequer from tax avoidance, all completely avoidable. Yet it is swept under the carpet by the Tory Govt, because they are in cahoots with the big donors, CEO's of large companies etc who fund them.

Lots of people slag off Corbyn, but one thing is sure. He and John McDonnell would put an end to this **** and spend that money on the NHS, social care and other public services.

 

[PINKIE]

its tough though, the government spend so much money on social care and thats with them taking peoples homes.

17.5 billion a year is spent on social care (2017 figures).

Yep it's a huge amount. I do think people should contribute to their care costs if they can afford it, but I agree with Sweats that the threshold should be a lot higher.

As for funding it, as I've just mentioned. There's a £119bn hole in the Exchequer each year from tax avoidance, if politicians had the bollocks to address that, then we could fund a lot more public services.

 

[Stan]

Does anyone know someone who owns care homes?

I know two. They are both chauffeur driven and minted beyond belief. Elderly care should be non profit and give them the care they deserve.

Ludicrously lucrative business. I have a pal here in Surrey who builds luxury homes, £2-5m gaffs. Even before the market went flat he said he couldn’t compete with the high end care home operators on 1 acre+ land purchases as their numbers stacked up better than his.

 

[Sweats]

Maybe this isn't the thread to mention this, as it probably belongs on the politics thread, but I'm going to anyway.

Regarding the cost of social care and people having to sell their houses to pay for their care, we have each year a £119bn hole in the exchequer from tax avoidance, all completely avoidable. Yet it is swept under the carpet by the Tory Govt, because they are in cahoots with the big donors, CEO's of large companies etc who fund them.

Lots of people slag off Corbyn, but one thing is sure. He and John McDonnell would put an end to this **** and spend that money on the NHS, social care and other public services.

Whilst I agree with the tax avoidance part. I think Corbyn would spend more and waste it. We’d be ****ed. I’m fairly right winged but also a tad socialist. There is too much tax avoidance. Though I canhalf accept it when it’s a company employing large numbers. What I can’t accept is if it’s just high earners. I also can’t accept politicians claiming this that an the other. We are indoctrinated to hate people on benefits yet we allow ceos, footballers and just about every high earner to pay less.

 

[Sweats]

Yep it's a huge amount. I do think people should contribute to their care costs if they can afford it, but I agree with Sweats that the threshold should be a lot higher.

As for funding it, as I've just mentioned. There's a £119bn hole in the Exchequer each year from tax avoidance, if politicians had the bollocks to address that, then we could fund a lot more public services.

I’d rather see the foreign aid budget ended. We still give money to India ffs. They have a space programme and nukes.

 

[Sweats]

Foreign aid shouldn’t be giving money it should be buying stuff from them.

Am sure I read something that stated we spend more on foreign aid than we do on welfare.

 

[Commachio]

How many old people want suicide, rather than being a burden?

 

[Sweats]

How many old people want suicide, rather than being a burden?

Bloke we buried today has wanted to die for the last 3 years. It’s only been the last 1 where his standard of life was ****. I deal with death quite a lot. Always seems that blokes whose wives die generally go downhill pretty rapidly. Women seem to move on and keep going.

 

[Commachio]

Bloke we buried today has wanted to die for the last 3 years. It’s only been the last 1 where his standard of life was ****. I deal with death quite a lot. Always seems that blokes whose wives die generally go downhill pretty rapidly. Women seem to move on and keep going.

Aye mate, likely yo go down fast...



Loads of reasons behind ending it all..


Sure we all know someone who has.

 

[Sweats]

Aye mate, likely yo go down fast...



Loads of reasons behind ending it all..


Sure we all know someone who has.

Blokes tend to turn into incapable children, stop cleaning the house, stop washing themselves and their clothes. They appear lost without their wives..


Women. They seem to thrive. Especially if they get a % of the dead husbands pension.

 

[Commachio]

Blokes tend to turn into incapable children, stop cleaning the house, stop washing themselves and their clothes. They appear lost without their wives..


Women. They seem to thrive. Especially if they get a % of the dead husbands pension.

I have on first hand, most bloke in the north east hang themself as a way out

**** that

 

[Stan]

Blokes tend to turn into incapable children, stop cleaning the house, stop washing themselves and their clothes. They appear lost without their wives..


Women. They seem to thrive. Especially if they get a % of the dead husbands pension.

I view a lot of houses that you guys value / get instructed on and often find it really sad. Must be quite tough dealing with the surviving partner (assuming they aren’t happy that the wife/husband has croaked).