Off Topic the recent news of the 'Jihadi' brides

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diddles said:
I would normally have a certain amount of empathy for children's parents-though maybe an argument could be given (purely speculative) - myself being a dad to similar aged daughters, you have to question the missing girls motives and reasons - what I've seen and been told by two of my daughters Muslim 'school friends' is life as a Muslim girl can be pretty tough -one of the girls told me she has never been loved by her parents they treat her like ****- another lass told me her father recently took all her money from her student loans for his own 'business opportunities' she's and her sisters are often beaten whilst the authorities just had looked the other way. Maybe these three 'jihadi brides' were in similar situations? thinking they would be better off over in Syria.
One thing that perplexed me when the story broke was why did one the girls parents refuse to name their daughter to the press and her photo was redacted?

Surely if your child goes missing you'd everything possible for their safe return.
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Normal people, yes ........ with these I've no idea.

If they're booking flights then they have freedom, credit cards, phones etc.

If 15 year old girls have all that and want to return to a medieval ideology then I've no idea how their minds work.
 
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diddles said:
I would normally have a certain amount of empathy for children's parents-though maybe another argument could be given (purely speculative) - myself being a dad to similar aged daughters, you have to question the missing girls motives and reasons as well as the external indoctrination- what I've seen and been told by two of my daughters Muslim 'school friends' is life as a Muslim girl can be pretty tough -one of the girls told me she has never been loved by her parents they treat her like ****- another lass told me her father recently took all her money from her student loans for his own 'business opportunities' she's and her sisters are often beaten whilst the authorities just had looked the other way. Maybe these three 'jihadi brides' were in similar situations? thinking they would be better off over in Syria.
One thing that perplexed me when the story broke was why did one the girls parents refuse to name their daughter to the press and her photo was redacted? Surely if your child goes missing you'd everything possible for their safe return?.
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Shame and embarrassment in a small closed community. A loss of respect can be devastating for families in these circumstances.

I'd be on the next plane over there!
 
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Blunham Mackem said:
No. Your other points were beneath contempt and not worth responding to.

I was just referring to my own experiences over the 20-30 years on your last point.
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They are **** shags & they do stink of curry.
WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM CHUM?
Just because you married one, doesn't mean the rest of us have to rim the ****s.
 
Smug in Boots said:
But nowhere near the loss of a child surely .....
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Not always. The shame and humiliation caused by a young girl to her family and the consequences of their standing in the local community, can lead to her death at their hands.

This isn't religion by the way. It's culture. And not only in Islamic families. You could have said the same about Christian families a long time back.
 
Blunham Mackem said:
Not always. The shame and humiliation caused by a young girl to her family and the consequences of their standing in the local community, can lead to her death at their hands.

Indefensible imo ......... I'd never kill one of my children, would you?

This isn't religion by the way. It's culture. I didn't say any different. And not only in Islamic families. I didn't say it was.

You could have said the same about Christian families a long time back.
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I can't remember a culture of systematic Christian child killings ........ when was that?
 
Billy Cattermole said:
They are **** shags & they do stink of curry.
WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM CHUM?
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Ever got near a French bird's sweaty crotch? It's like a bucket of cold water.

I've known some Turkish lasses, Pakistani lasses and I'm married to a Bengali lass. They could all teach most of the white women I've been with a hell of a lot about sex.

And not a hint of curry anywhere. Should that have been in capital letters as well?
 
Blunham Mackem said:
Ever got near a French bird's sweaty crotch? It's like a bucket of cold water.

I've known some Turkish lasses, Pakistani lasses and I'm married to a Bengali lass. They could all teach most of the white women I've been with a hell of a lot about sex.

And not a hint of curry anywhere. Should that have been in capital letters as well?
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Wouldn't **** a Frog or a Turk if you put the slags in front of me. <ok>
 
Smug in Boots said:
I can't remember a culture of systematic Christian child killings ........ when was that?
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That wasn't a particularly good statement was it! <doh>. Though in Latin countries, honour killings were an accepted means to end a feud within a community. Cultures primarily Hindu or Sikh, also allow honour killings of young women.

Its not systematic either, though you could say it's systemic.

My badly made point was that this was nowt to do with religion but all to do with culture.
 
Blunham Mackem said:
That wasn't a particularly good statement was it! <doh>. Though in Latin countries, honour killings were an accepted means to end a feud within a community. Cultures primarily Hindu or Sikh, also allow honour killings of young women.

Its not systematic either, though you could say it's systemic.

My badly made point was that this was nowt to do with religion but all to do with culture.
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Nah, not the same thing at all mate ....... we were in Sicily, Sardinia & Corsica all last summer and learned a lot about the 'vendetta' culture.

It's 100% about protecting your own family, and your own honour, against any outsider of whatever creed or culture.
There are never ever any killings within a family, it would be totally unacceptable.

'Honour killings' is not a phrase you can apply to Latin countries in the same way you can with Sikhs etc.

There is absolutely no honour in killing your own children ever ..... the phrase stinks tbh.
 
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Smug in Boots said:
Nah, not the same thing at all mate ....... we were in Sicily, Sardinia & Corsica all last summer and learned a lot about the 'vendetta' culture.

It's 100% about protecting your own family, and your own honour, against any outsider of whatever creed or culture.
There are never ever any killings within a family, it would be totally unacceptable.

'Honour killings' is not a phrase you can apply to Latin countries in the same way you can with Sikhs etc.

There is absolutely no honour in killing your own children ever ..... the phrase stinks tbh.
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You could say that vendetta's are a sub-set of honour killings but focussed outside the family, usually to another family or clan. They're not 2 discrete things. Young Latin girls have occasionally been killed by their own families, for getting pregnant outside marriage, for eloping with the wrong guy, etc. and it's been that way for hundreds of years.

It's more associated with the Middle East now, but it was endemic in Europe from the time of the Romans, through to medieval times. It was all about the subjugation of women. We've moved on now, they haven't. Yet!

Totally agree with your last sentence! It's beyond my comprehension.
 
Blunham Mackem said:
You could say that vendetta's are a sub-set of honour killings but focussed outside the family, usually to another family or clan. They're not 2 discrete things. Young Latin girls have occasionally been killed by their own families, for getting pregnant outside marriage, for eloping with the wrong guy, etc. and it's been that way for hundreds of years.

It's more associated with the Middle East now, but it was endemic in Europe from the time of the Romans, through to medieval times. It was all about the subjugation of women. We've moved on now, they haven't. Yet!

Totally agree with your last sentence! It's beyond my comprehension.
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You could say whatever you like but it's not the same thing at all.

Not being rude mate but this is a pointless discussion.

Protecting your family from outsiders is nothing like killing your own children .......... no 'sub-set', no going back in time, just nothing like it at all.
 
Smug in Boots said:
You could say whatever you like but it's not the same thing at all.

Not being rude mate but this is a pointless discussion.

Protecting your family from outsiders is nothing like killing your own children .......... no 'sub-set', no going back in time, just nothing like it at all.
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Aye if you say so.

It was getting boring like.
 
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