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Nigel Leafblower said:
i realise that you and @ForestHillBilly are in mourning today, what with the wonderful events in Washington...but show me the Bush lie on Iraq.

He was clear all along. It was your pin up boy Blair who lied.
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Nah - more looking forward to enjoying the weekend. Politics isn't the be all, end all for some of us.

As for the lies, did Dubya know the weapons of mass destruction was all bullshit? Try and be as honest as possible.
 
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You only have to see some of his cabinet picks to see how his presidency is going to fare. Betsy DeVos and Rick Perry have proved how unqualified they are in the last few days.

A huge decrease in government expenditure is planned, which will allow to cut tax rates for the rich as promised. I wonder how many Trump voters rely on service that will be crippled by the lack of funding/disappear altogether.
 
So what if he didn't lie, he made a monumental blunder., unless of course you're so in thrall to all things right-wing that you believe Republicans can do no wrong. Blair lied in order to try and get support for this brainless idiot.<hug>
 
Every 10 mins today I am refreshing the Guardian politics page, just to have a good old <laugh><laugh><laugh> at what is going on over there. The gnashing of the teeth and the spluttering out of the muesli in fake indignation as the Donald comes to town. Perhaps they should reflect on some of the reasons that Trump won - the fact that Obama only appealed to liberals on the East and West Coasts - the fact that middle America and the rust belt became known in the Obama Years as the "Flyover States" because Barack did just that as he rushed to appease the converted in Chicago, New York and Washington. And why were Hillary and the Democrats so spectacularly unable to attract the black vote this time? Just as the Black population voted out of naked self interest for Obama in 2008 and 2012, so the blue collar and white vote came out for Trump this time. It is no different - tough sh1t to those who lost.

Today is a victory for the long ignored WASP voter in the US, and the blue collar worker who's livelihoods were destroyed over the last 8 years while Obama obsessed about LGBT rights and kissing Ellen's arse in the White House.

Good Riddance Obama !
 
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I don't understand how people can be so loyal to a political party. I wouldn't vote for any of them.

@Nigel Leafblower what do you think of George osbourne and his handling of the economy?
 
DonCorleone said:
I don't understand how people can be so loyal to a political party. I wouldn't vote for any of them.

@Nigel Leafblower what do you think of George osbourne and his handling of the economy?
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He inherited a car crash off Darling and Brown in 2010.Every Labour Govt since the war has ended with a financial crisis. Some wrong choices were made from 2010-15, not least on cutting 6,000 Prison Officers, but the direction was right. Cut the debt and cut the deficit. Unemployment is historically low and inflation remained at around 1%. Business confidence is high and business investment is on the increase. All in all, 7/10 for Osborne as Chancellor.

His fatal error was Project Fear- after which I was glad to see the back of him.
 
Ponders said:
Well deserved credit, in my humble opinion.
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We would never have left the EU without Nigel Farage. He said what needed to be said, and in a way that the political class could not ignore.
His most brilliant comment was the one about catching the train home from Charing Cross [he gets the same train home as me] - political genius.
 
Nigel Leafblower said:
He inherited a car crash off Darling and Brown in 2010.Every Labour Govt since the war has ended with a financial crisis. Some wrong choices were made from 2010-15, not least on cutting 6,000 Prison Officers, but the direction was right. Cut the debt and cut the deficit. Unemployment is historically low and inflation remained at around 1%. Business confidence is high and business investment is on the increase. All in all, 7/10 for Osborne as Chancellor.

His fatal error was Project Fear- after which I was glad to see the back of him.
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The myth that the tories are always clearing up labours mess is easily debunked. Only two labour governments have left office with national debt higher than it was when they came into power. Every other labour government have lowered debt as a percentage of GDP. Those two governments coincided with the 1929 Wall Street crash and the global recession back in 08.

In osbournes first three years as exchequer, he added more to the national debt than the 'irresponsible' Labour Party did in the previous 13 years. In 4 years he added more debt in real terms than every labour chancellor combined. Does increasing national debt by 26% in 5 years (compared to labours 11% in 13 years, with a major recession to boot) count as clearing up labours mess?

He oversaw the UK being stripped of its AAA credit rating, along with the longest sustained decline in wages in economic history. Missed almost all economic targets.

As a result of osbournes austerity, there has been a massive rebalance of the economy. A huge increase in wealth for the 1% and a large reduction in the living standards of the majority. Mainly due to wage repression, cuts to in-work benefits, inflation in the costs of transport, fuel, housing and food. The increased vat rate doesn't help, either.

So, despite the Tory mantra of austerity, to justify their campaign of social security cuts, infrastructure neglect and hasty privatisations, the Tories haven't saved any money at all. In fact they've borrowed and borrowed and borrowed. Austerity is a scam designed to do nothing more than transfer wealth from the poor and ordinary to the super rich.

The Tory party have absolutely no interest in saving money. They are just doing precisely what they have always done - which is to serve the interests of the wealthy establishment minority at the expense of the rest of society. They have dressed up their same old Thatcherite policies (hasty privatisations, deregulated financial markets, defunding of government services, wage repression for the majority, tax cuts for corporations and the super rich) as the medicine to cure an economic crisis that was caused by these exact same policies.

1/10 for dear George.
 
DonCorleone said:
The myth that the tories are always clearing up labours mess is easily debunked. Only two labour governments have left office with national debt higher than it was when they came into power. Every other labour government have lowered debt as a percentage of GDP. Those two governments coincided with the 1929 Wall Street crash and the global recession back in 08.

In osbournes first three years as exchequer, he added more to the national debt than the 'irresponsible' Labour Party did in the previous 13 years. In 4 years he added more debt in real terms than every labour chancellor combined. Does increasing national debt by 26% in 5 years (compared to labours 11% in 13 years, with a major recession to boot) count as clearing up labours mess?

He oversaw the UK being stripped of its AAA credit rating, along with the longest sustained decline in wages in economic history. Missed almost all economic targets.

As a result of osbournes austerity, there has been a massive rebalance of the economy. A huge increase in wealth for the 1% and a large reduction in the living standards of the majority. Mainly due to wage repression, cuts to in-work benefits, inflation in the costs of transport, fuel, housing and food. The increased vat rate doesn't help, either.

So, despite the Tory mantra of austerity, to justify their campaign of social security cuts, infrastructure neglect and hasty privatisations, the Tories haven't saved any money at all. In fact they've borrowed and borrowed and borrowed. Austerity is a scam designed to do nothing more than transfer wealth from the poor and ordinary to the super rich.

The Tory party have absolutely no interest in saving money. They are just doing precisely what they have always done - which is to serve the interests of the wealthy establishment minority at the expense of the rest of society. They have dressed up their same old Thatcherite policies (hasty privatisations, deregulated financial markets, defunding of government services, wage repression for the majority, tax cuts for corporations and the super rich) as the medicine to cure an economic crisis that was caused by these exact same policies.

1/10 for dear George.
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I assume you dropped the mic after typing that.
 
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