Off Topic The Politics Thread

What is there to celebrate ?

Light at the end of the tunnel.

Making our own laws and taking control of our fishing waters and borders. Being a free and democratic country again.

 

"Pressure to our services". That £350M would be handy right about now.

But then Don hit the nail on the head with what he said the other day.

 

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Don't worry Super - the other 27 countries will still want to import your turnips.

 

All whilst constantly changing what currency they want invoices in. Good fun.

 

Why are you happy for the French, German & Spanish latte makers to remain in the UK ?, also what about the eastern Europeans who help prop up the NHS & the care service with the other nationals ? Finally, what happens if they decline to take your £500 preferring to pay their tax & NI will you be happy to accept that.

 

Foreigners are propping up a health service straining under the weight of foreigners.

I wouldn't give them any incentive to leave. They've enjoyed the fruits for too long. It's time to toddle off home.

Foreign criminals can go home as well. Human rights, my arse.

Hurrah!

 

@Ponders puts it well - the non -UK NHS workers are needed because we have imported 3m EU citizens into this country in a short space of time. Surely the question should be, why do we need foreign workers in the NHS? In my professional capacity - if that doesn't sound too pompous - I have been told at first hand by front line NHS workers that A&E services in particular are in crisis because Eastern Europeans are using them with very minor ailments including colds, having queued for 6 hours and caused the NHS to miss their targets, they then have to have it explained to them that this is not what A&E is for.

When 860,000 Polish people were brought into this country by the last Labour Government from 2004 onwards, it was never properly considered where they would live, how they would travel, where their kids would go to school, where the GP services were etc.

Don't take my word for it @charltonted - no less than Lord Mandelson said that "Labour sent out search parties looking for immigrants" and Blair's biographer said TB wanted immigration "to rub the Right's noses in diversity".

 

Not forgetting to mention that immigration has risen year on year under the Tories. I hope Farmer Oakshot doesn't employ any cheap East European labour on his farm. Hewitt's farm up the road from me does (Royston knows it I'm sure). FHB jnr was offered £5 ph to work there in the summer. . He got a proper job with a local landscape gardener at a proper wage.

 

Can't talk about the NHS without mentioning it's broken promise. Could have gone a long way to employing lots of British nurses.

Sigh.

 

I can only speak from real life not Daily Mail fake news. I have no issues with criminals be g deported, benefits withheld for new arrivals who have never worked or even encouraging non UK citizens to leave, if you're happy with the result. but why just eastern Europeans and what if they prefer to stay and pay their taxes

 

http://news.sky.com/story/scientists-say-2016-was-the-hottest-year-on-record-again-10733737

 

Its all rubish. Did you not ready your copy of The Daily Left?

 

I am not on either side of the fence here... but...

The world has always had extremes of temperature (does anybody remember the Ice Age?) so I do not think that anybody is arguing that the world is not getting hotter, it is just how much effect man is having on this increase.... they are predicting that 2017 will be colder than 2016 because the heating effect of 'El Nino' will not be so pronounced.

 

"They" are the same scientists who have concluded that global warming is man-made.

 

I'm not going to pretend I know anything about the science behind it. Whilst I think people are right in questioning experts, as they have got lots and lots wrong in the past, it's hard to argue with, when 98% of scientists say it's man made and a major problem. You only need to see who denies climate change, and who funds the scientists thqt deny climate change to understand their view.

 

A friend of FHB jnr had a job last summer working on an American ranch. The family were very friendly until he innocently mentioned climate change. They stopped the car, and told him that if he mentioned it again they'd throw him out. He didn't and things went back to normal. This actually happened.

 

A very, very, very large amount of Americans are utter morons.

Descendants of immigrants, voting in a man with a German background (his family changed their name from Drumpf to Trump) to get rid of immigrants.

Fights breaking out over cheap **** on Black Friday. The day after thanksgiving - in which they are thankful for what they have got.

The whole gun situation.

A very large percentage of the country are devout Christians, which influences laws on gay marriage, abortion etc.

I could go on and on, but I'd rather laugh at Reams and Nigel.

 

Deliverance is one of my favourite films.

 

Americans personally fascinate me. I spent a good few years in a relationship with and she was in no way your typical American. The only thing that I have to say is that whilst she was pro-abortion, abolishment of drug laws, all for gun control and better access to healthcare, did have religious views. Then again I have found that California is very different to the majority of America.

Same when I went to Massachusetts, I found them to be bearable individuals. Very liberal and do not ask stupid questions such as, "Oh! Cool, you're English. Can you say something English for me?" or "If you see the Queen, can you tell her that Steven from Utah says 'Hi'." Those were two questions that I actually got asked whilst in some backwards state. Bostonians understood a bit of humour, as when I was at the Tea Party Museum, I was asked "why I wanted to go?" to which my quick witted response was "I'm here to save the tea and drink it."

Never got Thanksgiving, especially being at a couple of the meals, it's just basically pre-Christmas Christmas meal. Or well the corporate machine trying to sell another holiday.

 

Agree re Massachusetts - I have family there, Watertown, do you know it?