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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. DT’s Socks

    DT’s Socks Well-Known Member

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    Me I totally accepted the vote shocked yes but it’s respected

    No idea what the result would be given the last two years however surely most would agree they know a lot now about the subject and it’s potential impacts. Far too serious now at the 11th hour not to be 100% sure

    I respect that many are still sure that Brexit is the way to go but remember just in this forum we have had nothing more than disgraceful bias posts about some European countries telling them all to simply **** off ! Remainers still represent 48% going by the vote they also have a voice

    Not only that it seems today that the remain vote was based on sound logic

    Personally I have a out but that doesn’t stop me from caring passionately about my country and making sure 100% that this monumental final decision is democratically correct

    Not bothered re a new vote imo but if this pulls down the UK I want the Brexiteer to be accountable for it for the sake of the future generations

    Yet I see and hear nothing from a Brexiteer about a vision for the new UK plus I passionately do care about the regions like Scotland and NI and our brilliant cities all of which wanted remain

    That’s not daft imo
     
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  2. DT’s Socks

    DT’s Socks Well-Known Member

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    Agreed of course we managed well before the EU but I again make the point that this is 2019 Col and things are not what they used to be.

    The haves and have nots will never change in capitalism that is a proven fact

    I am sorry but again pose that we did sell out our industries big time and we cannot simply start again without a massive shift in culture

    We have become too comfortable imo buying in goods and services ... it’s a irretrievable situation imo and after Brexit this will be proven very quickly

    Regardless of how wonderful our economy is it’s on a knife edge ... everything run on the tightest margins you can only cut so much and ever expect performance and efficiency to sync and balance
     
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  3. bobmid

    bobmid Well-Known Member

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    Does any of it make sense
     
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  4. bobmid

    bobmid Well-Known Member

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    What a load of rubbish you talk
     
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    I’ll give you the benefit of assuming that you know the difference between liking an idea and not necessarily the practice of that idea, and that you know that banana reference is bollocks, just another Euromyth made up by people like Boris Johnson.

    “Bananas have always been classified by quality and size for international trade. Because the standards, set by individual governments and the industry, were confusing, the European Commission was asked to draw up new rules.

    Commission regulation 2257/94 decreed that bananas in general should be “free from malformation or abnormal curvature”. Those sold as “extra class” must be perfect, “class 1” can have “slight defects of shape” and “class 2” can have full-scale “defects of shape.”

    Nothing is banned under the regulation, which sets grading rules requested by industry to make sure importers – including UK wholesalers and supermarkets – know exactly what they will be getting when they order a box of bananas.”

    We had our own regulations before the EU ones, which save time and money for importers and exporters/ re-exporters.
    seems to me to show that EU countries are free to make their own decisions re migrants, what’s your point?
    Yes, it was difficult to express myself clearly without it seeming like a dig at Brexiters, which wasn’t my intention but I can see how it can be interpreted like that. I do genuinely think we need to develop a shared or at least broader understanding of what sovereignty means in the UK context and what our expectations of our elected representatives are, regardless of Brexit. I am far from clear myself.
    To save time and add clarity could you give us a list of who you regard to be the ‘enemy within’. Groups/organisations rather than individual names will be fine, I should be able to tell if I am on the list from those.
     
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  6. bobmid

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    Be happy Ellers. If Mays deal goes through you're leaving.
     
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  7. bobmid

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    The enemy within are actually people like Ellers. Tory boys who won't get behind their leader. Strong and stable
     
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  8. QPR Oslo

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    And Brexit means Brexit.
     
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  9. bobmid

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    And leave means........well depends who you ask
     
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  10. GoldhawkRoad

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    They are so remote, no one knows anything about them or the work they do or don't do. Farage is the only household name - of the others, we only hear about them when they cheat on their expenses.
     
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  11. Uber_Hoop

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    From what I understand the Norway model fulfils the will of the referendum by delivering an exit from the European Union. The fact that other ties, memberships, treaties and obligations remain in place, in my view, is good news for the 48%.

    As I’ve said before, if the electorate was one individual, that individual was only ever so marginally in favour of leaving the EU, certainly not wholeheartedly, so something like the Norway model delivers pretty much what (on balance) I think the electorate asked for.

    Just my view, of course. Others equally valid.
     
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  12. GoldhawkRoad

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    I think we've all agreed on this board that the high scale of immigration into this country was a significant factor in the Leave result. The Norway model doesn't address this in the slightest.
     
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  13. Stroller

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    Yes, but the immigration argument was built on false premises. Anyway, if the 48% were happy with free movement, and a chunk of the 52% were too (you know, the ones for whom it was all about sovereignty, bureaucracy, fishing etc.), there's a majority who are happy for it to continue.
     
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  14. ELLERS

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    Spot on.
    It's last ditch Remoaner fanatics trying anything and everything. It reminds me of the last days of Berlin in 1945. Nothing to lose now. They will all be coming out of the woodwork in the next few days.
     
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  15. GoldhawkRoad

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    No false premise. The numbers coming in from the EU since the early 2000's have been huge.

    And there's you trying to split the Leave vote again, Strolls. #bleedinobvious...
     
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  16. kiwiqpr

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    The statistic shows the seasonally adjusted youth unemployment rate in Europe (EU member states) as of May 2018. In this month, the seasonally adjusted youth unemployment rate in Spain was at 33.8 percent. The source defines youth unemployment as unemployment of those younger than 25 years.
    Youth unemployment rate in Europe

    Unemployment is a crucial economic factor for a country; youth unemployment is often examined separately because it tends to be higher than unemployment in older age groups. It comprises the unemployment figures of a country’s labor force aged 15 to 24 years old (i.e. the earliest point at which mandatory school education ends). Typically, teenagers and those in their twenties who are fresh out of education do not find jobs right away, especially if the country’s economy is experiencing difficulties, as can be seen above. Additionally, it also tends to be higher in emerging markets than in industrialized nations. Worldwide, youth unemployment figures have not changed significantly over the last decade, nor are they expected to improve in the next few years.
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    In the European Union and the euro area, unemployment in general has been on the rise since 2008, which is due to the economic crisis which caused bankruptcy and financial trouble for many employers, and thus led to considerable job loss, less job offerings, and consequently, to a rise of the unemployment rate. Older workers are struggling to find new jobs despite their experience, and young graduates are struggling to find new jobs, because they have none. All in all, the number of unemployed persons worldwide is projected to rise, this is not down to the economic crisis alone, but also the industrial automation of processes previously performed by workers, as well as rising population figures.
     
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  17. Stroller

    Stroller Well-Known Member

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    There was more than one Leave vote, Goldie.

    I heard someone on the radio yesterday banging on about how all these EU immigrants were the reason that the NHS can't cope. In reality (and apart from the Tories underfunding it), it's EU immigrants going home that's causing NHS staff shortages.
     
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  18. KPDHoopster

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    Firstly, the regulation you speak of was repealed by Commission Implementing Regulation (EU) No 1333/2011 of 19 December 2011 laying down marketing standards for bananas, rules on the verification of compliance with those marketing standards and requirements for notifications in the banana sector with effect as of 9 January 2012, which specifically limited the bendiness of a banana.

    Oh and a nice article by the Guardian, that you drew your quote from, however incomplete the article was, maybe you should read the Telegraph ??

    But lets not quibble of EU regulations, my quoting of this, was to draw reference to your assumption, that a big EU, was somehow better, my response, something that big should not be concerned as to the shape of bananas for sale, but more concerned with members countries acting inhumanely to immigrants, shipping them off, to some Alcatraz style "accommodation".
     
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  19. DT’s Socks

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    If 1945 reminds you of this then it’s time to see my head doctor
     
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  20. KPDHoopster

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    Off you trot then !!
     
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