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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. KPDHoopster

    KPDHoopster Well-Known Member

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  2. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    Regarding Europe you have to agree with Farage as he has been spot on with the EU and how they work. I remember a interview with him about 2 years ago saying that 5star would do well in Italy and there will be problems with them and the EU. He said there would be raise of far-right parties in Germany/sweden/france/holland. And that.Merkel wouldn't last. But most importantly he said the EU would frustrate and try and stop us leaving at any cost.
     
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    The EU don't think ’they just tick boxes, that was from the ex Greek minister.
     
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  4. KPDHoopster

    KPDHoopster Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you on Nigel Farage, but I was referring to the bunch of idiots he scraped the bottom of the barrel, to represent his party.
     
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    I like farage because he says what he feels. And I know a lot of remainers dislike him but his knowledge of how the EU dictate.. Sorry I meant operate is very good.
    Agree he did have a few idiots following his party but he is distancing himself now because I see a new party coming especially if they rob the people of their democratic vote.
    I think there could be splits in Labour and Tories.
     
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  6. Quite Possibly Raving

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    With you. Agree entirely too. Also agree a second referendum is currently entirely pointless.

    I may be wrong, but I think much of what your original post is starting to grapple with is how politics is being disrupted by digital platforms, and the significant challenfes & opportunities this presents. It's opening up all sorts of questions about how politics works, and the Brexit referendum and Trump campaign are interesting case studies. I suppose GE17 is too. Our electoral laws are certainly not yet modern enough.

    No time to delve further right now, but I think it's an interesting discussion point.
     
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    Thing is though, this argument put forward by remainers that brexiters wanted more sovereignty, so we should accept parliament making the final decision simply doesn't wash.
    The same sovereign government promised the electorate that the referendum result would be carried out. The same sovereign houses of parliament voted overwhelmingly to implement the result and both main parties fought an election promising to do the same.
    I have no problem with a sovereign government making the final decision, which should either be May's deal, another deal or no deal. Remaining can't be an option as that ship has sailed.
    Unfortunately, these sovereign representatives of our are lying, scheming, betraying scum bags who have been plotting, along with the remainer civil servants to stop brexit from ever happening.
    I agree that referendums aren't ideal, but we had it and the people chose.
     
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    May tbh has tried to deliver the best but of course anyone could see the difficulties
    The Brexiteers voted to leave the EU however taking away the protest element from the vote then it was hardly a win
    Now the nation knows a lot more we are two years on and of course it’s time to look again at the democratic vote it’s too important not to be 100% sure

    No one knows the outcome but st least it would be 100 % true I prefer the final outcome not to be decided by this government but the people

    I would seriously love it tbh if Ellers and co were comprehensively made to see how daft they have been and of course to date not one post Brexit plan or idea
     
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    They are called ” the enemy within”.
     
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    I cannot get used to this Ipad and it's predictive text that keeps changing what I type. :steam:
     
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    Agreed 100% but love to see the Englishman on the streets fighting for change and justice

    MT put pay to that and now the maximum moan is via a bloody iPad in the UK ... add to that the self obsession of the current Anglo Saxon and I believe you would be close to the answer to the question ... Why have the people of the UK put up with this sort of governance?

    Time to look at the Statement:
    We are British

    We sold out far too late to suddenly wake up and want a UK back again ... what UK anyway ?

    A divided mess of consumption
     
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    Did you buy in the UK? If so...
    More than likely it came to you via a European DC
    It’s trying to help you change your mind as what you are typing is wrong in the first place soldier
     
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    Totally agree about not having a 2nd referendum. The 1st was an option short. Should have said leave with no deal/ leave with a deal or remain. Would have been better and we may not be where we are now. The enemy within as people keep stating is the Tory party. If they were all together on this one way or another then half the discussions wouldnt be going on.
     
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  14. KPDHoopster

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    But that is what a democracy is, opinions of all the spectrum, is what makes a country richer.

    Fighting in the street, is called anarchy, where mob rule, and threats of violence, have persuasions.

    Many countries have experienced them, but to advocate them and think a country should aspire to more of them, is idiocy.
     
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    That doesn't make sense, that would divide the leave vote ???
     
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    This bit about a multi-option referendum 'splitting the Leave vote' makes me laugh. The Leave vote already was split in 2016 and remains split now. There is not one single possible Leave outcome, but several. The problem is that every Leave voter thinks that they must get their own preferred option, or else they've been betrayed in some way. Canada, Norway, May's deal and one or two other variations would all constitute leaving the EU and could all therefore legitimately be described as implementing the original referendum result.

    If there were to be a further referendum with multiple options (which is how the first one should have been set out), it would be on a transferable vote basis, so there is no question of 'splitting' the Leave vote, or the Remain vote for that matter.
     
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  17. KPDHoopster

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    Stroller, you do come out with some tosh sometimes.

    There are many options of how a EU leaving deal could be structured, how could "every" leave voter expect to have their own deal ?

    It is widely accepted May should have put in place two or three options developing potential alternatives, knowing the EU would be pigheaded in trying to screw the UK, as I have said before, if they made it easy, the stampede for the exits would be thunderous.

    The assumption should have been there was no way the EU,like Cameron experienced, would offer any reasonable exit deal.
     
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    You really need to know and understand what the "enemy within" is. You using it for the Tories is totally wrong.
    Then again we can all see through your remain/anti-Tory stance. Mate.
     
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    He talks rubbish and knows nothing. Just let him carry on with his anti-Tory rhetoric.
     
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    I didn't say they could, did I? I said that they seem to think that they should.

    I was describing how the Leave vote was already split and how talk of a multi-option referendum 'splitting the Leave vote' is nonsense.
     
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