The EU debate - Part II

[DMD]

As you seem to like the loon so much, perhaps you should pay heed to one of the few sensible


Exactly. I posted a mini survey that Bloomberg did in Sunderland, which voted heavily in favour of leave, to ask why people had voted as they did and how they felt about it now.

The gist of it was that most did not really have a clue what they were voting for, they just thought that it's got to be better than what they've got.

Whilst it's sad that some people legitimately feel that hopeless about their future, it's even sadder that most now realise that nothing has changed and nor is it liable to.

I get asked for my experience based opinion, and some mental patient thinks they know what I think better than I do.

 

[NSIS]

I get asked for my experience based opinion, and some mental patient thinks they know what I think better than I do.

Who said anything about you? Where on my post is that

Paranoia! I'd get that looked at if I were you!!

 

[DMD]

I didn't dismiss anything, but you've focused on yourself and your mates, which isn't a broad spectrum of the public, is it?
You've also offered absolutely nothing concrete to go off, so I've got no way of examining your claims.
You had a bad experience with the EU? Ok. I have no way of finding out why or what the problem was.

None of this is applicable to the public as a whole though, is it?
You had a bad experience. The only people that you're aware of. You've met nobody that believe the claims.
This clearly isn't true of the population as a whole.

Claiming victory seems to be the only argument that Brexiters have, now that the campaign's over.
Half of them ran for cover and the rest are asking everyone else to clean up their mess.
What was their plan? They didn't have one. They still don't. Bloody stupid.

And again, you dismiss my view. You have nothing concrete to base the repeated, arrogant and pompous claim that 'people were duped'.

I based my opinion on broad experience, both mine and others. It's supplemented by looking on things like the web etc for broader consideration.

Unlike you, I don't claim to speak for the population as a whole, and someone relying on opinion polls needs to look at their success in recent years.

A scan of threads like these would seem to point to remainians not getting a lot right, and desperately looking for support from similar sources that they deride others for allegedly being duped by.

 

[DMD]

Who said anything about you? Where on my post is that

Paranoia! I'd get that looked at if I were you!!

Just under the post of mine you quoted.

 

[NSIS]

Just under the post of mine you quoted.

Where??

 

[DMD]

Where??

You've edited it out of yours, but your reply is still in the top row of mine you thick twat.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

And again, you dismiss my view. You have nothing concrete to base the repeated, arrogant and pompous claim that 'people were duped'.

I based my opinion on broad experience, both mine and others. It's supplemented by looking on things like the web etc for broader consideration.

Unlike you, I don't claim to speak for the population as a whole, and someone relying on opinion polls needs to look at their success in recent years.

A scan of threads like these would seem to point to remainians not getting a lot right, and desperately looking for support from similar sources that they deride others for allegedly being duped by.

When have I dismissed your view? I've disagreed with your opinion. That's not the same thing.
It's also not shooting the messenger, before you start down that road again.

Why have I claimed that people were duped? Because they demonstrably were.
The Leave campaign lied. Constantly. About everything.
Nigel Farage came out on the day after the referendum and said that they had and that they'd sidelined him in order to do so.
You don't seem to think that they influenced anyone though, for some reason.

You're simply making claims over and over about the entire population without substantiating any of them.
They weren't mislead? How the **** do you know?
They were clearly and repeatedly lied to in order to achieve a result that was barely achieved.
How have you measured the effect of those lies on the electorate, exactly?

 

[NSIS]

You've edited it out of yours, but your reply is still in mine you thick twat.

Oh **** off you silly ****er.

TBH , I was gonna to quote one of your hero's few sensible sayings about racism. But then I thought it would only be wasted on a bigoted, narrow minded cretin, like you.

Go and play with your lizard man!..,

 

[DMD]

When have I dismissed your view? I've disagreed with your opinion. That's not the same thing.
It's also not shooting the messenger, before you start down that road again.

Why have I claimed that people were duped? Because they demonstrably were.
The Leave campaign lied. Constantly. About everything.
Nigel Farage came out on the day after the referendum and said that they had and that they'd sidelined him in order to do so.
You don't seem to think that they influenced anyone though, for some reason.

You're simply making claims over and over about the entire population without substantiating any of them.
They weren't mislead? How the **** do you know?
They were clearly and repeatedly lied to in order to achieve a result that was barely achieved.
How have you measured the effect of those lies on the electorate, exactly?

I've specifically said I'm not speaking for the whole population. I leave that to you, even though you've yet to prove your claim.

 

[DMD]

Oh **** off you silly ****er.

TBH , I was gonna to quote one of your hero's few sensible sayings about racism. But then I thought it would only be wasted on a bigoted, narrow minded cretin, like you.

Go and play with your lizard man!..,

Loony tunes has a hissy when he ****s up...again.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

I've specifically said I'm not speaking for the whole population. I leave that to you, even though you've yet to prove your claim.

What claim? That people were lied to? I think that's been well established. Do you disagree?

 

[DMD]

What claim? That people were lied to? I think that's been well established. Do you disagree?

I don't agree that it had much influence on the decision to vote leave.

The remainians made false claims too, I've posted some earlier.. Does that mean you lot were duped too?

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

I don't agree that it had much influence on the decision to vote leave.

The remainians made false claims too, I've posted some earlier.. Does that mean you lot were duped too?

You don't agree that the whole Leave campaign influenced the slim win for the Leave campaign?
What are you basing this assumption on?

Would you like to pick out a few lies from the Remain campaign, so that I can address them?
It's nice that the Brexiters picked a word that's similar to Romanian for their supposed enemies, by the way. Can't think why they'd do that.

 

[DMD]

You don't agree that the whole Leave campaign influenced the slim win for the Leave campaign?
What are you basing this assumption on?

Would you like to pick out a few lies from the Remain campaign, so that I can address them?
It's nice that the Brexiters picked a word that's similar to Romanian for their supposed enemies, by the way. Can't think why they'd do that.

I posted some of the inaccurate remain campaign claims earlier.

You keep saying people were duped, but offer nothing concrete to support it. Opinion polls over recent years have been wildly wrong, so you need more than just them.

 

[Tobes]

The grants from the EU I've been involved in and aware of, largely come with strings .

No ****.

Funding for economic development that requires proof of delivery or claw backs apply. What a shocking set of rules that is.

I've read many of the bids from companies who are simply trying to leverage cash off the back of business cases that are nothing more than *** packet bollocks.

 

[NSIS]

You don't agree that the whole Leave campaign influenced the slim win for the Leave campaign?
What are you basing this assumption on?

Would you like to pick out a few lies from the Remain campaign, so that I can address them?
It's nice that the Brexiters picked a word that's similar to Romanian for their supposed enemies, by the way. Can't think why they'd do that.

You're wasting your time on that bonehead, mate. He'll sit there all night and argue that black is white and white is black. Anything but concede that you might have a point and that he might have got it wrong!

Which, as he gets it wrong 99% of the time, makes trying to debate with him rather tedious!

 

[DMD]

No ****.

Funding for economic development that requires proof of delivery or claw backs apply. What a shocking set of rules that is.

I've read many of the bids from companies who are simply trying to leverage cash off the back of business cases that are nothing more than *** packet bollocks.

It's a tad more, and broader than that, and more than just the odd example.

 

[paultheplug]

I don't agree that it had much influence on the decision to vote leave.

The remainians made false claims too, I've posted some earlier.. Does that mean you lot were duped too?

Most people I know that voted remain were aware that much of what they were fed by both sides was either misleading or false. They worked out for themselves what was going to be the best decision,for themselves and for the country as a whole. The very few I know who voted leave fell for the £350 mill lie and the immigration lie.

 

[DMD]

You're wasting your time on that bonehead, mate. He'll sit there all night and argue that black is white and white is black. Anything but concede that you might have a point and that he might have got it wrong!

Which, as he gets it wrong 99% of the time, makes trying to debate with him rather tedious!

**** me loony tunes, you're the last one that should get into an argument on the accuracy of predictions.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

I posted some of the inaccurate remain campaign claims earlier.

You keep saying people were duped, but offer nothing concrete to support it. Opinion polls over recent years have been wildly wrong, so you need more than just them.

So I'm supposed to provide evidence that people feel that they've been lied to without using those people?
How would you like me to do that, exactly? I can give examples of articles written by some of them, but that's not very broad, is it?

I'd like you to select specific claims from the Remain campaign that you feel were lies, please.
You've posted a lot of stuff, including Icke memes and I wouldn't want to misrepresent your opinions.
You'd accuse me of shooting the messenger or dismissing your concerns or something.