The EU debate - Part II

What? Pointing out what the experts were predicting is Project Fear?
Isn't that what politicians should actually be doing when they're making decisions, rather than making **** up?

 

I think one of the none Icke pictures mentions a remain experts predictions.

As far as I can tell, it's largely the remain voters that took any of the ****e claims seriously anyway, and they seem to have hung on to it ever since, despite being told it didn't influence the vote that much.

 

I definitely agree with that. Says a lot about the population...

 

The Remain lies were mostly about the economy and the GBP is now the worst performing currency in the world.

The Leave lies....well we all know what they were about and sadly for David Icke and his supporters it looks like they were duped.

 

When you're talking about a referendum that passed with such a small majority, then everything counts.
I've no idea how you worked out what worked and what didn't, though.
Virtually all of the reasons that I heard for leaving were either utterly stupid or completely false.

What are the main real arguments for leaving?
All of the ones that I've heard either aren't going to happen, are utterly dumb or both.

 

I posted some "expert" predictions from a remainer.

I don't know anyone that paid much heed to the other quotes, barring a few desperate souls on here that voted remain.

 

You've become more interesting since you started cutting and pasting from David Icke's website but you're still crapping out nonsense.

David Icke, no one would have predicted that!

 

It seems to say more about the company you keep than much else.

Most I know voted out of the EU because they never wanted to be in it in the first place. A common market's one thing, the monster it evolved into was something else, and undemocratically cost a lot of control, jobs and income There is an argument that it was illegal in how it was initiated.

 

They're not even all from the David Icke website, never mind being his quotes. You talk of nonsense posts.

 

No, it doesn't. I deliberately seek out views that are different to my own, so that I can understand why people hold them.
All that I've seen from Leave voters has been nonsense, frankly. They've been duped by a bunch of ultra-rich arseholes.

This is the sort of crap that I'm talking about. Vague nonsense about sovereignty, jobs, money, control, etc.
Can you give us something specific? This reads like a Daily Mail article.

 

Just one of them being from David Icke's website is comedy gold!

 

The grants from the EU I've been involved in and aware of, largely come with strings, often to such a degree that people find it's not worth applying. The fishing quotas decimated communities. changes to our benefits system were blocked by Hungary.I could go on.

The main point is, the repeated assertion on here that people were duped is simply bollocks, as nobody I know paid it much heed anyway. It just seems something that a desperate few on here pointlessly hang on to and churn out as if it means something.

As I said, most I know wanted out because they never chose to be in what it became. .

 

Do you still laugh at kids programmes?

Targeting the messenger still simply strengthens the point.

 

#turquoise

 

The fishing quota's a great example, as it's a total load of bollocks.
Even if you ignore UKIP's contribution to the whole thing, which involved never voting, our government sold the rights off.
Will leaving the EU improve those quotas? Nope. Not going to happen.

Most people wanted out because they had no idea what the EU actually does, thanks to our media.
The amount of times that I heard of a complain against it and then found out it was down to something else entirely is ridiculous.
The EC, the ECHR, our own government, the UDHR and the UN were common sources of confusion.

 

Righty ho, you know my own first hand experience and motives better than me, and the people I know are just making up their reasons too, despite them being involved with EU issues at various levels.

Not feeling they're listened, and being spoken down to are other oft mentioned reasons too.

 

When did I say anything about your own experiences and motives?
Is this another comment where you just make **** up, like the shooting the messenger stuff?

People didn't feel listened to because they elected a bunch of UKIP MEPs who literally didn't do anything.
We had representatives attending to prevent anything from happening and interfere with the whole process.
They felt talked down to because they listened to utter pricks in the media who lied their arses off for years.

Is the EU perfect? No, of course not. Could it do with some changes? Definitely.
The same is true of our own parliament as well, but we shouldn't chuck that out, either.
Leaving doesn't benefit us at all and merely weakens our position.

 

You've just dismissed my personal experience, and those of people I know that are involved in EU activities. **** all to do with any media reports, or politicians lies. First hand, direct involvement. The only people I'm aware of that bought any of the campaign bullshit are a handful of remainians on here.

It's academic, we've voted out, Brexit is going ahead.

 

Exactly. I posted a mini survey that Bloomberg did in Sunderland, which voted heavily in favour of leave, to ask why people had voted as they did and how they felt about it now.

The gist of it was that most did not really have a clue what they were voting for, they just thought that it's got to be better than what they've got.

Whilst it's sad that some people legitimately feel that hopeless about their future, it's even sadder that most now realise that nothing has changed and nor is it liable to.

 

I didn't dismiss anything, but you've focused on yourself and your mates, which isn't a broad spectrum of the public, is it?
You've also offered absolutely nothing concrete to go off, so I've got no way of examining your claims.
You had a bad experience with the EU? Ok. I have no way of finding out why or what the problem was.

None of this is applicable to the public as a whole though, is it?
You had a bad experience. The only people that you're aware of. You've met nobody that believe the claims.
This clearly isn't true of the population as a whole.

Claiming victory seems to be the only argument that Brexiters have, now that the campaign's over.
Half of them ran for cover and the rest are asking everyone else to clean up their mess.
What was their plan? They didn't have one. They still don't. Bloody stupid.