Off Topic The Deep State

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Does the Deep State exist?

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Tobes said:
There’s no organised ‘deep state’ imo there’s merely Billionaires using their power and influence to control the narratives for the plebiscite via media of all genres, including bought and paid for politicians, so that they steer the average man to use his vote for their best interests and against his.

Those interests are money and power. There’s a whole collection of billionaires who want to be beyond the control of any state, so they can avoid tax and regulation, but they need to control the narrative to ensure that no one legislates to remove their sovereign power.
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The media thing for me is key to why I see voting as a complete waste of time. It decides every election as far as I'm concerned and it's moved into social media in recent years. And obviously as you point out it's all controlled by billionaires pushing their agendas.

One man/woman can't make a difference, no matter what people believe.
 
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luvgonzo said:
Earth isn't flat okay. Get over it.
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Please, Luvvy. Take that **** to another thread, mate.

We're actually, for the first time, all of us engaging in a proper discussion about something that affects us all.

Please respect that.
 
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BTW I had rums and can't spell atm
Treble said:
I'm not saying they all get beaten down and turn corrupt though bro. I'm saying some who won't bend their principles get beaten by propaganda which dupes the public into believing they're not fit for higher office.


BTW if you ever want to see just how much of a muchness they all are (Tory, Labour, Lib Dems etc)... go to a council meeting.

Nothing more corrupt than your local authority <ok>
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Thats crazy talk man I'd never do that cos I know I'd be escorted out<laugh>
 
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Tobes said:
There’s no organised ‘deep state’ imo there’s merely Billionaires using their power and influence to control the narratives for the plebiscite via media of all genres, including bought and paid for politicians, so that they steer the average man to use his vote for their best interests and against his.

Those interests are money and power. There’s a whole collection of billionaires who want to be beyond the control of any state, so they can avoid tax and regulation, but they need to control the narrative to ensure that no one legislates to remove their sovereign power.
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This.
 
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Tobes said:
Do I believe there’s an organised cabal of billionaires, despots and dictators? No.
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That isn't what I asked.

Incidentally, I agree with your answer.

However, I do believe - know, in fact - that there are groups that meet regularly behind closed doors, comprised of extremely powerful people, who have access to persons of influence on the political stage, and who do influence what is done.

It is not democratic, in my view.
 
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Hoddle is a god said:
That isn't what I asked.

Incidentally, I agree with your answer.

However, I do believe - know, in fact - that there are groups that meet regularly behind closed doors, comprised of extremely powerful people, who have access to persons of influence on the political stage, and who do influence what is done.

It is not democratic, in my view.
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Bilderberg.
 
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Hoddle is a god said:
That isn't what I asked.

Incidentally, I agree with your answer.

However, I do believe - know, in fact - that there are groups that meet regularly behind closed doors, comprised of extremely powerful people, who have access to persons of influence on the political stage, and who do influence what is done.

It is not democratic, in my view.
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That’s merely standard in Westminster. The US even more so. It’d be naive to believe that it doesn’t. Politicians and their parties need funding, and the right media backing, it all come with a price, always has done.
Been no different since the days when land ownership was the the route to power and wealth.
 
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