Transfer Rumours The 2015 Summer Transfer Window Thread

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Saintmagic said:
No matter what anyone says, Liverpool are still in a far, far better position long term than us to win trophies/challenge for top four, throw in that they pay more money and I can't see how anyone could call Clyne an idiot for wanting the move.

It is much more in the way he goes about leaving (if he does leave).
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Oh well then we can all pack up and stop wasting our time then. Don't be too convinced at our appalling ability to progress. Liverpool are most definitely a club who have missed the boat for the last 25 years, and things aren't improving for them. In fact, they starting to look worse. As little as a couple of seasons ago I might have agreed, but we might just pass them as they make a space in the table.
 
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Eurgh just why Liverpool again. If it was a top four club I would wish him well, but I can't stomach seeing another player join them
 
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Saintmagic said:
No I don't, but I see them in a better position than us to, and also a better position than us to be playing regularly in some European competition over the next 4/5 years or whatever his contract length might be. If his options are 1) stay at Saints 2) go to Liverpool or 3) go to Man Utd then yes he is an idiot for choosing Liverpool, but if only options 1 or 2 are possible then I don't really blame him.
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Well I do based on the fact two weeks ago it was Champions league talk. Now maybe Man Utd have withdraw their big bucks, his tune changes to say something different.
 
TheSecondStain said:
Oh well then we can all pack up and stop wasting our time then. Don't be too convinced at our appalling ability to progress. Liverpool are most definitely a club who have missed the boat for the last 25 years, and things aren't improving for them. In fact, they starting to look worse. As little as a couple of seasons ago I might have agreed, but we might just pass them as they make a space in the table.
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Let's just peek at their last four season, from this year back.

Isn't it 6th, 2nd, 7th, 8th. Based on that, he should give Corkie a ring and see how much Swansea pay.
 
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TheSecondStain said:
Oh well then we can all pack up and stop wasting our time then. Don't be too convinced at our appalling ability to progress. Liverpool are most definitely a club who have missed the boat for the last 25 years, and things aren't improving for them. In fact, they starting to look worse. As little as a couple of seasons ago I might have agreed, but we might just pass them as they make a space in the table.
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Where did I say that? Our progression has been brilliant over the last 5 years, but breaking the top 6 on a regular basis is incredibly hard without serious investment (like City/Chelsea levels), so I can't blame a player for taking the opportunity to join an established top 6 club rather than staying at a challenger for one
 
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Kinda see both sides here. I think we need to see how we cope with Euro footie next year before getting too confident (should we get it). I can see us doing an Everton and it actually knocking us down a little. Should that happen though, can we all agree to please, please, please understand that kind of thing can and does happen, and not get too moany about it/Koeman next season?
 
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Le Tissier's Laces said:
Kinda see both sides here. I think we need to see how we cope with Euro footie next year before getting too confident (should we get it). I can see us doing an Everton and it actually knocking us down a little. Should that happen though, can we all agree to please, please, please understand that kind of thing can and does happen, and not get too moany about it/Koeman next season?
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If we got Europa league, and if we made a decent go of it, I would be very happy if we finished top 10 next year. You only have to look at clubs similar to us who played in the competition to see how it effects league form.
 
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Le Tissier's Laces said:
Kinda see both sides here. I think we need to see how we cope with Euro footie next year before getting too confident (should we get it). I can see us doing an Everton and it actually knocking us down a little. Should that happen though, can we all agree to please, please, please understand that kind of thing can and does happen, and not get too moany about it/Koeman next season?
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Still coming to terms with the reality that I am willing to support Ar**e Wenger Wenger Saturday - consoling myself there might be 3 ex-saints playing for the gunners....
 
Saintmagic said:
Where did I say that? Our progression has been brilliant over the last 5 years, but breaking the top 6 on a regular basis is incredibly hard without serious investment (like City/Chelsea levels), so I can't blame a player for taking the opportunity to join an established top 6 club rather than staying at a challenger for one
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My post a couple up might suggest it's 50:50 to call them top 6. They pay more money, they're a bigger club and as they keep telling us, they've got a great history. Take out the money (yeah right) and I'd say they're on a very sticky wicket. They won't sign the best of the best because they're not top 4, can't offer champions league football, can't say "come and play with the best" because they can't sign the best and the shiny star is fading. Their top youngster wants out and they are looking at picking players from similar clubs. That smacks of restricted ambition to me.

Last four seasons: 8th, 7th, 2nd, 6th. I prefer our graph.
 
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fatletiss said:
My post a couple up might suggest it's 50:50 to call them top 6. They pay more money, they're s bigger club and as they keepntellingbus, they've got a great history. Take out the money (yeah right) and I'd say they're on a very sticky wicket. They won't sign the best of the best because they're not too 4 and the shiny star is fading. Their top youngster wants out and they are looking at picking players from similar clubs. That smacks of restricted ambition to me.

Last four seasons: 8th, 7th, 2nd, 6th. I prefer our graph.
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I agree that they can't attract the worlds best, but what they can (and have done) is hand pick the best players from the clubs just below them, and they can afford to pay the needed money to sign them, which keeps them ahead of the chasing pack. You could argue that we sign players from similar clubs, or even smaller clubs, do we lack ambition?

What Liverpool actually need to be successful is a revamp of their recruitment policy, their signings over the last few years have been nothing short of shambolic
 
fatletiss said:
Like Liverpool?
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Well they did drop from 2nd to 6th when they were back in a European competition, and I think that played a role in their drop this year, but I wasn't specifically thinking of them when I made that point, more Swansea/Newcastle/Everton in recent times.
 
Saintmagic said:
If we got Europa league, and if we made a decent go of it, I would be very happy if we finished top 10 next year. You only have to look at clubs similar to us who played in the competition to see how it effects league form.
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If we get in the Europa we will strengthen big time.
 
Saintmagic said:
Well they did drop from 2nd to 6th when they were back in a European competition, but I wasn't specifically thinking of them when I made that point, more Swansea/Newcastle/Everton in recent times.
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Look, we could well struggle next season and I don't mind that as I am a believer that you need to experience things like the Europa disease to progress. What I can't buy right now is that Liverpool are all that. They had one season where they had one of the the top three strikers in the world on fire. To me, they are an ordinary team with one very good blip in four seasons.

If I'm a player with ambition, then it's the current top four or an exciting upstart that looks like it could do something. I may even have learned something from my old mates and what they did.
 
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fatletiss said:
Look, we could well struggle next season and I don't mind that as I am a believer that you need to experience things like the Europa disease to progress. What I can't buy right now is that Liverpool are all that. They had one season where they had one of the the top three strikers in the world on fire. To me, they are an ordinary team with one very good blip in four seasons.

If I'm a player with ambition, then it's the current top four or an exciting upstart that looks like it could do something. I may even have learned something from my old mates and what they did.
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Saintmagic said:
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I agree that they can't attract the worlds best, but what they can (and have done) is hand pick the best players from the clubs just below them, and they can afford to pay the needed money to sign them, which keeps them ahead of the chasing pack. You could argue that we sign players from similar clubs, or even smaller clubs, do we lack ambition?

What Liverpool actually need to be successful is a revamp of their recruitment policy, their signings over the last few years have been nothing short of shambolic
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Your last sentence gives me my argument for not joining them.
 
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