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Nobody is going to want to hear it, and it is taking me some hesitancy in writing it, but perhaps the absolute best thing for our chances of being a Premier League club in the next 3 years is to acknowledge that this is going to be another season of consolidation in the championship, with players settling and gaining experience and saleability. And then sell a couple of them for good fees in January or early next summer allowing for a real attack NEXT season.

I know thats what people wanted this season. But perhaps its just the case that our players need another season to establish themselves to get the credibility to ensure the fees we get are sufficient to bring in the depth and quality we need.
 
I think the recruitment team have earned some time with some/most of their decisions.....however....this is high tarif, I really hope they have lined things up and we end up with a well balanced squad at the end of the window. This could be a master stroke or it could go tits up

They have earned the right,as you say,I'm not inclined to consider masterstroke:emoticon-0102-bigsm ,but, more sensible business,and for us to end up with a well balanced squad.
 
Nobody is going to want to hear it, and it is taking me some hesitancy in writing it, but perhaps the absolute best thing for our chances of being a Premier League club in the next 3 years is to acknowledge that this is going to be another season of consolidation in the championship, with players settling and gaining experience and saleability. And then sell a couple of them for good fees early next summer allowing for a real attack NEXT season.

I know thats what people wanted this season. But perhaps its just the case that our players need another season to establish themselves to get the credibility to ensure the fees we get are sufficient to bring in the depth and quality we need.
In hindsight getting in the play offs last year could have been a hinderance if we’d finished say 12th? Which we weren’t a million miles from to be fair I don’t think there’s the worry amongst the fan base there is right now, the targeting automatics comment also hasn’t helped, with the teams coming down etc I think top ten probably is still a good season given where we’ve been the last few years
 
In hindsight getting in the play offs last year could have been a hinderance if we’d finished say 12th? Which we weren’t a million miles from to be fair I don’t think there’s the worry amongst the fan base there is right now, the targeting automatics comment also hasn’t helped with the teams coming down etc I think top ten probably is still a good season given where we’ve been the last few years

Yeh - expectations are higher than they would have been if we'd lost our final 2 games and finished 12th.

That's football and life though. We all say we want long term success but the human nature, especially in something emotive is to want it NOW.

I have no idea and would hate to be in Speakman's mind but it feels to me like he has a long term plan mapped out and absolutely nothing gets in the way of that.

And whilst he's at the club we have to trust he's right.
 
I think it’s healthy to have a less ‘manager reliant’ approach as a club to maintain consistency but too managed managers is a bad thing. The manager has to respect they are building a club and managing the overlapping challenges of FFP and the like - I think Mowbray does - and the club need to listen to the manager if he thinks we need to change to be competitive- that’s where the evident difficulty is for me like. Definitely feels like we put money making first, competitive second. Over time that may work but only if we are an attractive club to play for ie we don’t lose too many. I think that without Amad and a striker we’ll have good approach play and not finish and without the right DM we’ll keep conceding on the break. As I thought last season. The one positive is we’ve added height which was my other worry.
It's not making money, it's about losing less, it's about being sustainable and I for one am all for it. I know I'm in the minority but I just can't relate to everyone stomping their feet and demanding we spend more for a bit of short term gratification without knowing/understanding the reasons behind the approcah.
 
Yeh - expectations are higher than they would have been if we'd lost our final 2 games and finished 12th.

That's football and life though. We all say we want long term success but the human nature, especially in something emotive is to want it NOW.

I have no idea and would hate to be in Speakman's mind but it feels to me like he has a long term plan mapped out and absolutely nothing gets in the way of that.

And whilst he's at the club we have to trust he's right.
Say we get a striker in and we start playing the attractive football again like last year and fall short finishing 8th - 12th yes we will likely lose a big name in the summer window but we then likely have the funds to compete I guess that’s ultimately what this model is, it’s still in its infancy and alien to a lot of us, people (me included) tend to struggle with change and patience is rarely given in football
 
Nobody is going to want to hear it, and it is taking me some hesitancy in writing it, but perhaps the absolute best thing for our chances of being a Premier League club in the next 3 years is to acknowledge that this is going to be another season of consolidation in the championship, with players settling and gaining experience and saleability. And then sell a couple of them for good fees in January or early next summer allowing for a real attack NEXT season.

I know thats what people wanted this season. But perhaps its just the case that our players need another season to establish themselves to get the credibility to ensure the fees we get are sufficient to bring in the depth and quality we need.

I’m absolutely fine with couple more years Championship.

It’s a real shame that it’s our own fans trying to paint us as some sort of crisis club, we aren’t.

The on field improvement has been immense. Are we in a little plateau? Maybe. Are we ahead of plan and schedule? Most definitely.

It’s utterly ridiculous the way it’s been painted. Off the field is a mess and we need a striker.

It’s hardly end of days is it?
 
It's not making money, it's about losing less, it's about being sustainable and I for one am all for it. I know I'm in the minority but I just can't relate to everyone stomping their feet and demanding we spend more for a bit of short term gratification without knowing/understanding the reasons behind the approcah.

I think its a case of focusing on not losing money now enables to spend money in 2,3,4,5,6,7 years etc.

People understandably wanting short term success. We all do, we're fans. But I can understand a strategy that is a slow burn, even if its frustrating.
 
in january i think it's and foreign club he can open talks with after his contract has ran out anyone, not saying it won't happen behind closed doors but don't think he can sign a pre contract with any english club until it's ran out
I believe the opposite is true. He can.
 
What to we reckon? Replacements all ready in the building.

Pritchard - Dack

Batth - Trinstis / Steedt

Gooch - Huggins

Then maybe two CF and the squad is complete until January 24.

I think that's close to being right. But I think CF and CM are what's needed. As @Prehab26 has said, the winger spot we all want probably wont happen and will end up being Mayenda to cover at striker and on the wing.

We need a player who can sit in the midfield 2. And ideally have done it at a level equivalent to the championship.
 
I'm not defending the club over the lack of the experienced striker, however how much in wages would a good experienced striker cost, possibly the same as we are offering Stewart in his new contract, could we afford both probably not, is this the reason why we haven't.
The other problem I can see is trying to find one that's prepared to come if they may have to play second fiddle to Stewart.
Would Stewart be happy to sign a new contract if this new striker comes in , hits the ground running banging in goals, we wouldn't drop him just so Stewart gets his place back, Stewart could go elsewhere for more money and a guaranteed start.
As I say I'm not defending the club it's their job to get things right, just wondering how people would feel if we brought a PL striker in on loan and Stewart came back in a signed a new contract end of September. Also could the club be looking at getting rid of DB, AP and LG to free wages up for experienced free transfer wages, just a thought
 
What to we reckon? Replacements all ready in the building.

Pritchard - Dack

Batth - Trinstis / Steedt

Gooch - Huggins

Then maybe two CF and the squad is complete until January 24.
The only down grade to me there is losing DB however I havnt seen enough of the 2 centre half's to pass judgment
 
I believe the opposite is true. He can.
Can players agree a pre-contract with another English club?
The six-month rule when it comes to discussions regarding a future change of scenery relates to teams outside of the country in which the player plies their trade at that time.

players can, therefore, only enter into talks with interested parties outside of England – with the same regulations applying to those in Germany, Spain, Italy etc.

Any player looking to move from one English team to another as a free agent can only open talks after entering the final month of their previous contract – with that effectively delaying discussions until any given season has come to a close.
 
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