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flandersmackem said:
Big difference with both those clubs, they are premier league side who can attract a different class of player, Also willing to play the wages, something I believe Sunderland are not.
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Why do you think they are Premier League clubs? Brentford, in particular, did exactly what the poster was saying and it gained them promotion, selling their best players year on year and reinvesting and upgrading with the funds received.

They were willing/able to pay the wages (which we are anyway) because of the funds they received from selling players.
 
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LBW said:
Centre Forwards command the biggest fees for a reason, which is why they get paid the big money, I get we have a wage structure but it will mean we cant hold onto our best players for long. Some people wont be happy but its the model and it wont be ripped up for the sake of one player.
My thoughts are simple, let him go for as much money as we can, if he really wanted to stay he would have signed the contract, we have had far too many players here for nothing more than money over the years and I dont want players like that here anymore.
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Maybe being thick but how do we know its LND not signing? It could be the club putting it on hold till he proves some sort of fitness. Was a bad injury after all which could affect him. We play a high press intense style which he may struggle with
 
Sunderpitt said:
Sounds like pyramid selling, more likely to fail, than not.
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Not if you have superb processes and infrastructure in place that allow you to consistently identify and develop the right players. You know, the sort of processes and infrastructure that saw us bring in the likes of Clarke and our other best players in the first place.
 
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FellTop said:
One of the challenges is we arent on a level playing field. Burnley have the premier league draw. So do Palace and Brentford who have been rumoured to be interested. I can see why Clarke would be interested in a move to any of them. The money will be much better and he will feel he is now ready to take the premier league on. Maybe even get a crack at an England call up. All of those things weigh heavily against us right now. I honestly dont knie if Clarke is feeling miffed or not, he seems like a decent enough lad to me. There might well be a time when he does want to take the opportunity though, and if Burnley think that might be the case they will test our resolve. I just feel in that scenario a compromise deal usually gets sorted, we drop our valuation a bit, they bid a bit higher, extra add on etc.

I also dont know enough about our financial situation. Maybe we are limited on bringing in others until we bring in some money and free up wages.

It is all a balancing act for the club I think and I am speculating they may accept less than they feel he is worth, if other factors are in play.

One thing for sure, if anyone is sold it will be for an offical price tag of 'undisclosed'.
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We're not really disagreeing, we're just starting from different points on what we consider his value to be. I genuinely think in the market as it is and all other factors (contract length, age etc) considered that he's worth over £20m. So I agree, there'll be a compromise to be had when/if Clarke starts getting aggitated or we need the sale to fund other business but I still see that as ending up well north of £15m. Or at least I think it should be.
 
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Culinary said:
I hope you're right but Fishpaste clearly gets the inside track on what's going on at the club nowadays and I always found him to be a pretty decent bloke so personally don't think he'd make it up (that's not to say that he may not have been fed duff info).
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I don't have much of a view on him but he's posted some real nonsense, repeated rumours as fact and has a chip on his shoulder with the club.

No one but the Clarke, or the club, is able to dispute this £10m story so he can't be proved wrong ...

... the club may well allow him to go for that fee but they're entitled to see what other offers come in and not just jump when Burnley says jump.
 
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Scout73 said:
100% this, its a positive sign that clubs want our players - also doesnt mean our players will leave

Im relaxed about it at this stage, lets just see what happens
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Highly doubt anybody will be sold unless our valuation is met. The days of Madrox selling anyone or anything for peanuts has long gone. Also remember speakman saying if a player is sold then that money will be spent on an improvement
 
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Culinary said:
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Now this does concern me slightly mainly as, if correct, it would explain why Burnley have been bidding in the region they have been.

Based on absolutely nothing beyond wild paranoia, I'd say Ian Harte has a lot to answer for in all of this.
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I said a little while ago that imo, once Burnley or anyone else for that matter start putting bids in the low teens for a base number, serious conversions will start. It's been said above that our club is a path to the Premier league for some players. I've said it myself long ago "why would X player go to Y club, in this case Burnley? simple fact is they're a Premier league club and we are not. Players careers are short. Add to that it's even more of a shop window to other Premier leauge club to get a better move. In short, imo, a bid will come in that we won't turn down for Clarke, hope I'm wrong like.
 
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Mackem-Tiz said:
How much do Spurs get out of 10m? I haven't got a problem with selling any of our "stars" but we wouldn't be making much off him and if RS goes to for say 7m that's not very much for 2 of our main assets?
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Wont get anywhere near 7m for RS. injured till at least october and only 12 months left
 
Nozs’ Hat said:
If we lose Clarke, Stewart, Ballard and with already losing Amad, we have a big building job to do, in a short space of time with most of pre-season done.
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It would be suicide to do it! There's no way we are flogging all three of them and then another 2/3 on top. We'd just undo all of the hard work we've done at the start of the window getting players in early to have then start building the squad again.
 
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Monkey69 said:
I don't think the model is to sell on it is to build sensibly and recruit the right people. It's not about profit it is about a sustainable model which needs to be built and working before bigger investment comes in. Think Everton and their heavy spending with poor results or Man Utd and their poor investments in the wrong players, but Man City with heavy investment but with a good business model is now a debt free club working on a sustainably. Weather you agree or not Man City are debt free and self financing whilst Man u are at this moment heavily in debt in a rundown stadium not able to buy players they need because the correct working model was not put in place at the right time.
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Dont man city have 115 FFP charges against them?
 
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John Wick said:
I said a little while ago that imo, once Burnley or anyone else for that matter start putting bids in the low teens for a base number, serious conversions will start. It's been said above that our club is a path to the Premier league for some players. I've said it myself long ago "why would X player go to Y club, in this case Burnley? simple fact is they're a Premier league club and we are not. Players careers are short. Add to that it's even more of a shop window to other Premier leauge club to get a better move. In short, imo, a bid will come in that we won't turn down for Clarke, hope I'm wrong like.
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I think he’ll probably go. I think Brentford, Palace are good moves for him. Burnley less so because they are more likely to fail being a newly promoted club.
 
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Sunderpitt said:
The danger with the sustainability model...

Ie selling your best players for a profit...

Means remaining very average and not progressing much...
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How does it mean that???

Selling players then reinvesting that money into improving squad and team means you are better. Brighton n brentford are the best examples but burnley did that last season, sold a couple of their best players then reinvested to improve the squad
 
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Culinary said:
I hope you're right but Fishpaste clearly gets the inside track on what's going on at the club nowadays and I always found him to be a pretty decent bloke so personally don't think he'd make it up (that's not to say that he may not have been fed duff info).
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What has he got correct recently, he just seems to post rumours
 
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