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The players are only just back for training and the whining and moaning starts. It's basically digging at other supporters for being optimistic and daring to hope that the progress of the club continues.

I've no idea who else we'll sign, how we'll approach the season, how we'll end the season ...

... but ffs, why, after a decade of misery, can't we just feel good about the club.

The same people who warned us that we wouldn't be able to cope last season and doing the same this season. Luton made it to the PL with an average squad so there's no reason we can't give it a good go and that's all we could wish for.

What more do people want, a massive spending spree of experienced Championship players and back to the bad old days ...

... been there, done that, didn't like it.
I think most of the SAFC supporters are delighted with the progress the club has made since KLD took control of the club and started building a management infrastructure that has probably exceeded all of our expectations . I think we are well ahead of where we expected to be and I have faith that the club and team will continue progressing in the way we would want , the days of mismanagement are behind us and now just seem to have been a bad dream or nightmare . Keep up the good work KLD and his management team !!!
 
Why do fans instantly think the three clubs coming down are nailed on with a chance of going straight back up?
Burnley did it, the other two weren't at the races.
For those able to look back over the last few seasons, I'm not clever enough, be interested in knowing how many did go straight back up.
These clubs are relegated for a reason, they're not good enough...sell off their main assets ie Madison etc so why are they instantly favourites?
Burnley took a gamble and completely changed their management and playing style and it worked, never a guarantee it'll happen again.
We've kept the neuculis of our squad, added the missing height and beef so why wouldn't fans be optimistic, can't understand this well it might go tits up, the world could end tomorrow just enjoy our upturn while it's here ffs.
Can't remember a time when there wasn't a tension between the optimists and pessimists. If you can't be optimistic about Sunderland now, when can you be?
 
Front of the shirts should always be plain, no logos. I'm not averse to arm patches or around the tail of a shirt or even in the numbering but the front should be kept clear. It is only the need for that precious's lucré that dictates otherwise.
 
I think in the case of Leicester, well they never should have come down, and it wasn’t an attitude thing in the squad, more a rut.

Could argue some of their players are actually more suited to this league as well. I’m not convinced about the other 2.

Leicester may be more balanced without Maddison, lads a brilliant player and will be great for Spurs, but in a relegation battle a player like that can become a liability, cos he’s going more of what he knows he’s capable of than what the team needs.

They still have Vardy & Inenacho as it is and an and they will clearly get goals at this level, strong CB pairing and good wing backs.
Vardy is getting on a bit now and looked a shadow of himself last year, not sure if he can do it in Championship or if he has the heart for it TBH, the league is brutal and it has a pretty unforgiving schedule. As for Ihenacho he has flattered to deceive for years and may well have an outstanding season but could just as easily have a nightmare, not sure if confidence at the club (Leicester) is high and it can be hard to get going again. We on the other hand are confident and seem to be a vibrant attractive club for young talent which is where the optimism comes from. I think consistency will be the key to the season and hopefully we had all our bad luck with injuries last year.
 
No idea, think he played most of their games didn’t he? I know he didn’t miss a single PL game in the 4 years beforehand for Wolves though.

Danny Bathh couldn’t get a game for Stoke when we signed him. And has never had an international call up. Yet we all thought he was a world beater last season.

Batth was a regular for Stoke in the lead up to us signing him, in fact he won their player of the month in the November.
 
Batth was a regular for Stoke in the lead up to us signing him, in fact he won their player of the month in the November.

I’ve posted on here before, I’ve had dealings with Batth agent and he says Danny was desperate to sign soon as there was interest, he wasn’t pushed out at Stoke in any way, shape or form.
 
I’ve posted on here before, I’ve had dealings with Batth agent and he says Danny was desperate to sign soon as there was interest, he wasn’t pushed out at Stoke in any way, shape or form.

Why was it that they let him join us on a free midway thru the season? Was it purely to get wage budget down for FPP rules?

Seems a more and more bizarre decision.

They'd just signed Phil Jagielka on likely more money than him as well. So can't have saved much, if anything, by releasing him
 
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I’ve posted on here before, I’ve had dealings with Batth agent and he says Danny was desperate to sign soon as there was interest, he wasn’t pushed out at Stoke in any way, shape or form.

I thought it was to do with their financial fair play circumstances? Either way he's been a ridiculously good signing.
 
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I thought it was to do with their financial fair play circumstances? Either way he's been a ridiculously good signing.

They signed Jagielka on a free 2 days before Batth joined us on a free... so its just weird. They must have decided they absolutely needed Jagielka and the only way to afford him was to release Batth's wages. Which just seems the most dumb decision ever. I think most Stoke fans would agree.
 
Why was it that they let him join us on a free midway thru the season? Was it purely to get wage budget down for FPP rules?

Seems a more and more bizarre decision.

They'd just signed Phil Jagielka on likely more money than him as well. So can't have saved much, if anything, by releasing him

Didn't Jagielka sign for next to no wage just to keep playing? Sure I remember their manager at the time on about it.
 
Didn't Jagielka sign for next to no wage just to keep playing? Sure I remember their manager at the time on about it.

didn't know that. I guess that might be the case.

It must be genuinely next to nothing because for batth to be willing to drop down a division to play for us and at a time when we are famously not paying over the odds, he must have not been on too high a wage himself at Stoke.
 
didn't know that. I guess that might be the case.

It must be genuinely next to nothing because for batth to be willing to drop down a division to play for us and at a time when we are famously not paying over the odds, he must have not been on too high a wage himself at Stoke.

They paid a few million for Batth like and it was in their period of pissing money away so I reckon he might have taken a cut or a payoff to come here.
 
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