suarez v evra

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Swarbs said:
The cameras will only pick up his lips, and if Suarez is talking in a thick Uruguayan accent it will be difficult to prove exactly what he said from lipreading
If the mics haven't picked up the sound clearly then you'll never prove it one way or another
The officials were all at least 30 yards away and so can't be expected to have heard exactly what was said
The players can't be trusted - no matter what the facts are the Utd players won't shop Evra and the Liverpool players won't shop Suarez. Even if a Liverpool player overheard the remark do you really think they would sell their teammate out? Likewise if a Utd player heard everything and there was no racism.

I still can't see anyone getting sued no matter what. Evra didn't get sued when he accused Bethnall in 2008, and Busquets didn't get sued for accusing Marcelo last season. Besides which, if Suarez did sue and was successful, it would open the floodgates for anyone who accused a fellow professional of diving, cheating, simulating etc etc etc. I can't see the courts being too willing to open a floodgate like that, particularly cos Suarez won't suffer any damage to his reputation if the FA exonerates him. In fact, I don't think you can be found civilly liable for accusing someone of a criminal act (or any act for which they can be exonerated by a court or disciplinary process).
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In fairness if he was saying it in a thick Uruguyan accent I'm not sure Evra would have understood it anyway <laugh>

If Evra is CERTAIN enough to announce it to the world that Suarez said it TEN times I find it hard to believe it won't have been picked up at least once.

On the subject of the man who tried to sue and failed you may well be right about keeping the floodgates closed but I think part of the difference here is that Evra has announced this to the world as fact without yet providing evidence and I presume before alerting the proper authorities to it added to the fact that he's made similar unproven allegations before. I'm pretty sure unless proven then Suarez would have a fair case for defamation of character.

I'm off to listen to some "Afro Carribean Sabbath" now <whistle>
 
If someone shouts out unsubstantiated claims about someone it's called slander, pure and simple. Evra is saying Suarez is a racist so he'll damn well need proof. I can't go to the media saying SAF touched me up without some damn good evidence, or SAF could sue me for damages to his "fine" reputation.
 
Foredeckdave said:
The trouble is that legal action may not be in the hands of either player. There are some major commercial interests that may feel themselves to be damaged by the accusations.
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I don't think anyone can sue without being the party who was slandered against. I'd be very surprised if Suarez gave any of his sponsors legal permission to sue on his behalf - he would then effectively be putting his reputation in their hands if they handled the case badly. Liverpool might be able to sue, but again I don't think an employer can sue on behalf of their employee.

the artist known as Billy El Pistolero said:
In fairness if he was saying it in a thick Uruguyan accent I'm not sure Evra would have understood it anyway <laugh>
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Probably <laugh> Although ****** has by now effectively become an international word understood in all languages, so I think it would have been pretty clear *if* he said it.

the artist known as Billy El Pistolero said:
On the subject of the man who tried to sue and failed you may well be right about keeping the floodgates closed but I think part of the difference here is that Evra has announced this to the world as fact without yet providing evidence and I presume before alerting the proper authorities to it added to the fact that he's made similar unproven allegations before. I'm pretty sure unless proven then Suarez would have a fair case for defamation of character.
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The woman who falsely accused the man of rape also failed to provide any evidence (I think the case was dismissed with prejudice against her after she admitted in court that it was all lies). And given that the racism was allegedly reported to the ref at the end of the match, Evra didn't make his claim in the media before making it to the officials. Also, regarding Evra's earlier allegation of racism, it was proved that the Chelsea groundsman called him a "****ing immigrant", which was what Evra accused him of, so that wasn't an unproven accusation, just confusion over whether prejudice against immigrants classes as racism. If you want to argue that one, I hear the BNP are always up for it <ok>

Red said:
If someone shouts out unsubstantiated claims about someone it's called slander, pure and simple. Evra is saying Suarez is a racist so he'll damn well need proof. I can't go to the media saying SAF touched me up without some damn good evidence, or SAF could sue me for damages to his "fine" reputation.
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Slander requires that the claims be false, not simply unsubstantiated. Evra could only be convicted of slander if it can be shown that his comments are without basis in fact. In other words, if you could work out every word he spoke to Evra during the match and show that none of them were racist.
 
One thing I've learnt from this is that if I ever need any legal advice I'll be paying Swarbs a visit <ok>
 
I haven't read all this thread but it seems there is actually some people defending the use of the word. Get a grip there is no space for this in football or anywhere else for that matter.

I'm not saying Suarez is guilty as I have no idea so don't get me wrong but some posters defending him even if he did are a disgrace to your club. Calling Evra whiny etc- IF he has been racially abused then he has every right and should complain.

I doubt anything will come of this however.
 
Swarbs you lost the arguement as soon as you said A thick uragyan accent, being a bit insensitive to those poor people aren't you matey?

Anyway I would have called Evra a **** cause he is.

Show me proof before spouting out sh1te that "honest" Evra comes out with. god help me if we are going to be judged by people of his character, the only reason he is not in the tabloids is because everyone forgets the tosser.
 
the artist known as Billy El Pistolero said:
Dickhead. I bother to make a valid and coherent argument and this is the best you can do. I'm hardly being hypocritial in fact you're statement actually backs up my argument you tool...just because a player has a history of dodgy things DOES NOT mean he should instantly be judged guilty of racism. Try reading the whole post not just the first sentence. I used Rooney as an example because he's a UNITED player and I was discussing an issue with a UNITED fan.
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Merely mentioning the fact Rooney is of questionable character makes the rest of your post a pile of ****e because you are not seeing things fairly. One you call out Rooney for smashing his elbow into a players face and two you worship Stevie G when his character is worse than that of the player you all hate so much.
 
BiasedOpinion said:
Merely mentioning the fact Rooney is of questionable character makes the rest of your post a pile of ****e because you are not seeing things fairly. One you call out Rooney for smashing his elbow into a players face and two you worship Stevie G when his character is worse than that of the player you all hate so much.
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Not fair, you missed out Giggs f*cking his sister in law
 
KingEric07 said:
I haven't read all this thread but it seems there is actually some people defending the use of the word. Get a grip there is no space for this in football or anywhere else for that matter.

I'm not saying Suarez is guilty as I have no idea so don't get me wrong but some posters defending him even if he did are a disgrace to your club. Calling Evra whiny etc- IF he has been racially abused then he has every right and should complain.

I doubt anything will come of this however.
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Dont think many if anyone would seriously defend suarez using it if he has as claimed. One of them is well out of order and whoever is lying in this case will rightly deserve a lengthy ban.
 
Rubadub said:
Evra has made false accusation's before more than once and he has a reputation for being a bit of a twat, he is French after all. Im not saying Suarez is innocent because it's impossible for any of us to see but innocent until proven guilty and all that and it will be pretty easy to prove him guilty if he said it ten time's like Evra said.
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Where's the proof of his false claims then you thick Irish prick?
 
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