Re his advice we should sell, I mean it's not like a Bitter would like to see us weakened by losing such a player
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Exactly - people seem to think that we're afraid of Suarez leaving and that we're going to crumble once he leaves hence why we're not accepting any bids.
I think a majority of our fans have accepted the fact that he wants out and we welcome suitable bids. Once we get what we think is suitable, we will sell.
The fee was good, but the salient point is the preceding 18 months when he'd largely been ****e, & in Carragher's opinion maybe not always giving his all - which means that hanging on to him was a blunder, as it caused issues - which was my entire point.
The whole team were **** under Roy.
Once Kenny came in and actually played to our strengths, we saw the best out of Torres again.
I agree, it's not the fee but the fact that we don't want to sell to a PL team because it simply means our rivals are stronger which therefore inflates the price.
I think it ended well in terms of fee, just think it was late and that hurt a bit as we had to rush out ( not sure why) for an injured donkey.
Re his advice we should sell, I mean it's not like a Bitter would like to see us weakened by losing such a player
If I want to see you **** up spectacularly, I'd rather he stayed & was pissed off & sulking behind the scenes causing grief.
Plus he's banned for the 1st 6 games anyway, whereas if he goes his replacement could play from day 1.
He'd almost certainly be worth less next window & you'd have been spending £120k per week for the privilege.
So maybe the 'bitter' view is somewhat juxtaposed mate.
he was injured a bit was he not as well after the great 2009 season and definitely unhappy after Alonso Rafa and Arbeloa were gone.
he was stroppy from the time he said he was staying in the summer till Jan when he put in his transfer request. 6monthd of true sulking
he was stroppy from the time he said he was staying in the summer till Jan when he put in his transfer request. 6monthd of true sulking
I mean a bitter, as in a an everton fan, not stating you are bitter
Can't you accept that it is not good for Liverpool to bend over for Suarez, not after everything in the last season and a half, especially when strengthening opposition for 4th. Considering arsenal scraped 4th and have not signed one player, it is a good idea to not assist them, or hurt ourselves in order to allow Suarez to fulfill his CL ambitions.
I totally agree.
You've done him & his management team with the wording of the 'release' clause & I found that quite refreshing tbh. Selling to Arsenal would be far from ideal for a host of reasons & there's no way you should 'roll over' for them.
However, my original point was that you need to get resolution on it, whether that being a negotiated fee with Arsenal that you consider matches your valuation OR having agents offering him to Europe's elite, in the hope that one of them comes in with a concrete proposal. I'm certain the latter would be Liverpools preferred path, but if the former is the only show in town, then your bargaining position is somewhat weakened.
United have rejected another bid for an unhappy Rooney
They're in the same boat as you lot, albeit they DO want him gone, but just not to Chelsea.
There may still be a bid from somewhere else too, that is also worth considering. Bale has yet to move anywhere. That's one reason to hold Arsenal and Guardiola "the douche" off. He's definitely been blabbing about this release clause.
Another reasoning may be that if he has to go to a rival they'll have to pay for the privilege, I would in FSGs shoes make Arsenal pay more than I would make Real pay because going to Real has no bearing on Liverpool but obviously going to Arsenal does.
Then there is the signal to players that if you want out of Liverpool, the club will make it nice and easy even if you have no clause to allow it.
lastly if made stay another year there is no guarantee he'll under perform, or be a disruptive force, if he as said did this to Ajax, the fans certainly we're not bothered by it given the reception he got. Those two clubs let him go when he wanted to go, if he has to stay and is told he can go next season he will have to perform, he can't expect someone as stupid as Chelsea to pay over the odds for an under performing sulky player.
I think no matter what we do we won't lose out except maybe (possibly) a small amount of his transfer fee, and if that means him not going to Arsenal it will be worth every penny if next year the we manage to clinch 4th
I can't judge, but is the Suarez story bigger than the Rooney and Bale story, or am I just closer to this one?
Also, if we believe the story, that the deal may be done with Arsenal, but bitey is waiting to see if they get through the qualifying round, wouldn't that just piss you off as a gooner?
Also, if we believe the story, that the deal may be done with Arsenal, but bitey is waiting to see if they get through the qualifying round, wouldn't that just piss you off as a gooner?
I know its a strange concept to think about in football but there's quite possibly a couple of principles at stake here vs a lot of speculative "ifs"
we have a very young squad. We, due to a tight budget are going to have to rely heavily on the youth not only breaking into the senior team but accepting what now amounts to performance related play for a good few years. We stand no chance in controlling their egos and implementing that successfully if we let the few senior "world class" players (I hate that term but you know what I mean) dictate to our club less than 12 months after making a legal commitment to the club for a further 3 years. We can not be lied to (that's what he's saying: "I had no intention of fulfilling my contract when I signed it" because:
There is no way we failed Suarez expectations when he put pen to paper last September because not even the craziest of us believed we would have CL qualification this year. Well we have to show our players that that type of behaviour will not be tolerated. Doesn't matter how City or Chelsea do it. We MUST enforce our contracts.
Here's another reason for that. No matter how much we improve in the next 5 years, CL will never be a sure thing year after year. Too many teams now for too little spots. We can not encourage short termism in players if its one year in one year out even after rebuilding!
If we are serious about re-emerging as a top European team on the pitch we can not, even once sell our best players to the teams we're trying to overtake based on what the individual player wants. Do that and who believes us when we say we're trying get back to the top? No player. And we'd be saying that even we don't believe a contract is worth the paper it's written on. (Too keep it simple I'm not saying Suarez has requested a move to Arsenal as its only circumstantial evidence at the moment) it just shouldn't happen ever.
So, even though I can't stand looking at the fecker now (he does want to leave to at least one declared club) and would love to see the back of him, we MUST let Suarez leave only on our terms and timing.
And even if it loses us 10 mill as Tobes believes, it saves us millions more with all our future negotiations & player behaviour.
we have a very young squad. We, due to a tight budget are going to have to rely heavily on the youth not only breaking into the senior team but accepting what now amounts to performance related play for a good few years. We stand no chance in controlling their egos and implementing that successfully if we let the few senior "world class" players (I hate that term but you know what I mean) dictate to our club less than 12 months after making a legal commitment to the club for a further 3 years. We can not be lied to (that's what he's saying: "I had no intention of fulfilling my contract when I signed it" because:
There is no way we failed Suarez expectations when he put pen to paper last September because not even the craziest of us believed we would have CL qualification this year. Well we have to show our players that that type of behaviour will not be tolerated. Doesn't matter how City or Chelsea do it. We MUST enforce our contracts.
Here's another reason for that. No matter how much we improve in the next 5 years, CL will never be a sure thing year after year. Too many teams now for too little spots. We can not encourage short termism in players if its one year in one year out even after rebuilding!
If we are serious about re-emerging as a top European team on the pitch we can not, even once sell our best players to the teams we're trying to overtake based on what the individual player wants. Do that and who believes us when we say we're trying get back to the top? No player. And we'd be saying that even we don't believe a contract is worth the paper it's written on. (Too keep it simple I'm not saying Suarez has requested a move to Arsenal as its only circumstantial evidence at the moment) it just shouldn't happen ever.
So, even though I can't stand looking at the fecker now (he does want to leave to at least one declared club) and would love to see the back of him, we MUST let Suarez leave only on our terms and timing.
And even if it loses us 10 mill as Tobes believes, it saves us millions more with all our future negotiations & player behaviour.
Frank - I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment of what you're saying there. It's yet another example of a footballer basically disregarding his contractual obligations, as he's had his head turned & thinks the grass is greener elsewhere. It happens every year & has affected virtually every club over time.
I'd love to see a club dig their heels in & 'let them rot', but when you're talking about multi million £ assets, who command 6 figure weekly wage packets, it's an incredibly costly principle......
The players know this & virtually always get their own way, as the odds are stacked in their favour. It's driving the working man away from the game imo, as it's widening the dis-connect between the players & the supporters, as the supporter gets to watch these self absorbed, multi millionaire mercs, dis guard their beloved club like an old sock.
I'd love to see a club dig their heels in & 'let them rot', but when you're talking about multi million £ assets, who command 6 figure weekly wage packets, it's an incredibly costly principle......
The players know this & virtually always get their own way, as the odds are stacked in their favour. It's driving the working man away from the game imo, as it's widening the dis-connect between the players & the supporters, as the supporter gets to watch these self absorbed, multi millionaire mercs, dis guard their beloved club like an old sock.
Luis Suarez cheered by fans at Reds open training
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-fans-cheer-luis-5588648
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-fans-cheer-luis-5588648
Hopefully the ****er can see he owes us at least one more season before he gets his Spain move after the support shown for him.