Off Topic So, what now?
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All i want is for this country to be free from that corrupt gestapo in Brussels and we trade where we like and with who we like and not keep feeding money into Brussels for the privilege.
We voted out, we were not asked for a deal or no deal scenario,respect the public vote and do what was put on the table you will see the wrath of the people come down on you if you do not.
We voted out, we were not asked for a deal or no deal scenario,respect the public vote and do what was put on the table you will see the wrath of the people come down on you if you do not.
I have provided you with examples. Its your view they are unworkable.Two Governments think differently and continue to strive towards finding a solution. Your solution is give up. Failure. Not fight but flight and excuse. Failure. That is remarkably negative.
You would have said the same before the Good Friday Agreement , you would have been wrong then and are wrong now.
If your arguments are entirely based on faith that we will somehow find a way that says the sky is not blue and water is not wet then that says more about you gents than me I'm afraid.
Yep too good for youNo difference, you are all remainers, except you have a good rugby team.
They aren’t based on faith they are based on history, logic , and common sense. Whilst yours are based on negativity and ignoring history.
Quite rude again. I doubt if you actually have looked at the detail at all of the DUPs protocol etc. AshtonRed makes a point about the good Friday agreement. If something as problematic can be overcome this can. That is not blind faith, its a parallel. Here we have political parties and Governments working together and agreeing what is not acceptable i.e.Backstop.
Just think....In approx 5 years time, we will be either killing each other or laughing and saying "what was all the fuss about" !!
I'd rather not but I'm afraid sometimes rudeness is justified when your relying on unsubstantiated belief with nothing to back it up. I genuinely find many of your posts on here interesting but relying on belief with no substance is something that deserves ridicule. Considering how much you seem to like stats and can usually bring out tangible examples pretty well, I find this part of your argument quite surprising to be honest. And weirdly, I mean that with respect.
An in-depth survey in 2018 found that member states are welcoming the new parties shaking up the EU, but at the same time, support for the EU is at it's highest levels since 1983. 26 of the 28 countries had support for the EU go up. In fact in Ireland, over 90% felt that they had benefited from EU membership.
Don't believe everything the papers tell you. They are run by a small group of wealthy people who tell you what they want you to hear. This idea that loads of countries are turning against the EU along with us is a complete and utter myth. What you are correct about is that it definitely does need to change, given even those countries in support of the EU are in support of reform also.
I think oneforthebristolcity makes a good point though. I don't think this is ever going to go away. Even in 5 years, 10 years, 20 years, people will still come back to what happens in 2019. If we leave, people will either say what a brilliant/stupid (delete as applicable) decision, and some will pine for the EU if it goes badly. If we stay, people will quite rightly come back to this and wonder why we didn't follow the result of the referendum. I suppose the only way it won't be discussed that much is if we leave and it goes really well.
If David Cameron hadn't been quite so arrogant and actually worded the question properly, with 'leave' actually being clarified, we would still be in a mess but a much clearer mess. Instead he was too busy ****ing pigs
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FEE'S they were only supposed to be in place to PAY FOR IT, make a small [reasonable ] profit and cover maintenance but they kept increasing fee's...greedy
Well, i think, for what it’s worth, there will be (or rather there SHOULD be) a second (or rather a FOURTH) referendum.
This time, the REAL choices should be on the table - and there are 3 (there always were 3 but 2 were not made clear before):
1. No deal ‘hard’ Brexit - on WTO rules
2. May’s Brexit deal - whatever that turns out to be
3. Remain
To avoid a ‘back door’ Remain, you could adopt either of the following methods:
- If the SUM of the 2 ‘Brexit’ votes polled was greater than the Remain vote then Brexit would win and the TYPE of Brexit would be the winner between the 2 types of Brexit; Hard or Soft.
Or...
- A choice carrying a score; you rank your choices in the order of first, second and 3rd and they then score 3, 2 or 1 points respectively and the option with the most points wins. For example; a Brexiteer may want a Hard Brexit, but might feel that Remain was better (or ‘less bad’) than May’s deal, so would vote thus:
1: Hard Brexit
2: Remain
3: May’s deal
At the end, all the points would be totalled up and the preferred solution revealed.
That’s my opinion for what it’s worth.....
Some may argue that to even include Remain in the poll would be ‘un democratic’ - but to dismiss the opinions of 48% of the electorate who voted last time around us as dangerous as trying to sink Brexit by stealth. I’m a Remainer (just) but I wouldn’t want to achieve Remain on a technicality.
This time, the REAL choices should be on the table - and there are 3 (there always were 3 but 2 were not made clear before):
1. No deal ‘hard’ Brexit - on WTO rules
2. May’s Brexit deal - whatever that turns out to be
3. Remain
To avoid a ‘back door’ Remain, you could adopt either of the following methods:
- If the SUM of the 2 ‘Brexit’ votes polled was greater than the Remain vote then Brexit would win and the TYPE of Brexit would be the winner between the 2 types of Brexit; Hard or Soft.
Or...
- A choice carrying a score; you rank your choices in the order of first, second and 3rd and they then score 3, 2 or 1 points respectively and the option with the most points wins. For example; a Brexiteer may want a Hard Brexit, but might feel that Remain was better (or ‘less bad’) than May’s deal, so would vote thus:
1: Hard Brexit
2: Remain
3: May’s deal
At the end, all the points would be totalled up and the preferred solution revealed.
That’s my opinion for what it’s worth.....
Some may argue that to even include Remain in the poll would be ‘un democratic’ - but to dismiss the opinions of 48% of the electorate who voted last time around us as dangerous as trying to sink Brexit by stealth. I’m a Remainer (just) but I wouldn’t want to achieve Remain on a technicality.
Can we play the Hull Wembley final again and see if we can win that game,get a grip the vote was taken this furking turgid bunch off clowns in charge should all resign.
We were asked in or out not let’s see what deal we can get.
Democracy is gone forever if the Will off the people in not respected
Can we play the Hull Wembley final again and see if we can win that game,get a grip the vote was taken this furking turgid bunch off clowns in charge should all resign.
We were asked in or out not let’s see what deal we can get.
Democracy is gone forever if the Will off the people in not respected
The ‘will of the people’ was respected in 1971
It was respected again in 1975
It was asked in 2016 what it wanted and fair enough Brexit won by a tiny majority who had no idea what Brexit actually looked like (if you actually do know RR you could earn an absolute fortune by telling businesses like Honda etc so they can plan)
Now we are ALMOST there, surely it’s right to ask the people if it’s really what they wanted?
Actually, I do know some of my remainer friends who have said they would now vote Brexit - as well as some (and I don’t know many) Brexit voters who would vote Remain - because they only voted Brexit to ‘shake things up a bit’..
Nobody I have spoken to wants May’s deal !!!!!!!
For all we know, Brexit could mean free movement of people, the single market but no representation. Oh - and a border in the Irish Sea.
Is that what you think you voted for?
F-ing great
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What happens if another vote gives the same result as the last vote , or a marginal vote to remain?
Surely we need to end all this as quick as possible and move on, delaying things just makes things worse and creates more confusion .
I believe Corbyn has knocked on the head any chance he had of becoming PM one day.
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There was never any chance of that anyway mate...Brexit or no Brexit, was never fit to be PM
I have consistently backed up points. I have provided substance. As I said I doubted that you looked up the DUP protocol etc. You consistently ignore those points. That is ignorance.