Will they be paying the crowd funding back now it's proven in court they were responsible for there dismissal
Whatever are the legal aspects of this case, and it appears the 2 guys fell foul of not really appreciating what a twat the Allams are, I can't help felling sorry for them. They have been doing this for many years, and both parties accepted that the nature of the job meant that they would work unsociable hours at times, and there was give and take on both side. Someone like Adam Person would never have done this, if he wanted to change things he would have had a quiet word with them, and that would have been the end of it, but Ehab just seems to take pleasure in get one over on the normal working man.
Sorry john that's absolute bullshit. Why feel sorry for them. He was moonlighting and then they both lied about moonlighting. Adam Pearson would have had to do exactly the same. After they denied wrongdoing it was the only course of action. The Allams might be utter ****s but in this instance they took the right course of action. How anyone can defend a bloke who was neglecting his duties for hull city and prioritized working for a hated rival is beyond me.
U fcuking prick... U know fcuk all and make guesses.... The groundsmen were sacked for following orders from a supervisor. I know for a fact daryll didnt know he wasnt allowed to this...no wonder i had u on ignore for so long
Not sure why you'd gloat about something like this, these lads have been very poorly treated, but hey-ho. John's bang on, there's no way this would have happened under Pearson, or most other employers. If the SMC weren't happy with something they were doing, they should have been asked to stop doing it, there was no need for the sledgehammer approach (though it's obviously just the standard MO at the KCOM at the moment).
I'm not gloating I'm pointing out how ridiculous you and many others for jumping in and assuming guilt. But you know this. Arf A LEEDS UNITED Academy officer told an employment tribunal today that young players and staff suffered a sickness bug after owner Massimo Cellino made cleaning staff redundant. Lucy Ward also described how she had to take on roles including looking after the laundry at the club’s Thorp Arch training base as well as watching out for trespassers after security staff were dismissed. Former Leeds United Executive Director Adam Pearson, arriving at Leeds Employment Tribunal. Ms Ward also said she had to take on responsibilities for monitoring players as of the club’s responsibilities to the FA over anti doping. Leeds United boss Cellino ‘said football is no place for women - they should be in the bedroom’ Ms Ward is claiming unfair dismissal and sex discrimination in a case against the Elland Road club. The tribunal has heard claims that United owner Massimo Cellino sacked Ms Ward because of her relationship with the club’s former manager, Neil Redfearn, who he planned to sack as they “came as a pair”. Ms Ward said today: “I was treated like a piece of meat. “He (Cellino) just gave me no dignity whatsoever as a career woman in my own right. “The reason I was being sacked is because I was Neil’s partner. “If I had not been Neil’s partner I would have been at Leeds United now.” Ms Ward said Cellino had previously praised her in a senior management meeting for taking on extra roles at the Academy. She told the hearing: “At one stage after dismissing or making redundant the cleaners a number of players and members of staff got a sickness bug and Thorp Arch was closed down while it was deep cleaned. “I took responsibility for the laundry and made sure the kids were eating and kept an eye out through the window that there were no trespassers because there was no security. “I took on the responsibility for the FA doping - every week and every month you have to know the whereabouts of each player. “At other clubs that is a full time job but I took on that responsibility at the Academy.” Ms Wars added: “Mr Cellino was extremely grateful for me taking on this extra responsibility.” Redfearn also gave evidence today in which he described how he was informed of the decision to place him on gardening leave during a meeting with Pearson to discuss his contract. The meeting, held on June 22 last year, took place while Ms Ward was still in Canada working as an analyst at the Women’s World Cup. Redfearn said Pearson also told him at the meeting of Cellino’s plan to get rid of Ms Ward. He said: “He basically said that he was trying to give me a heads up that he had also spoken to Mr Cellino about Lucy Ward and that he would be looking at getting rid of her as well because he thought that we came as a pair.” Barrister Lucy Bairstow, who is representing Leeds United, asked Redfearn: “Why on earth would he give you a heads up about your partner who had never met?” Redfearn replied: “You will have to ask him that.” Pearson is due to give evidence later today. Former Leeds United executive director Adam Pearson defended the decision to dismiss Ms Ward. Pearson told the hearing he did not believe Ms Ward had sought appropriate permission from senior management to go to work for the BBC at the Women’s World Club. He said: “If I was in Ms Ward’s position and a new employer had come in to the club I would have sought formal permission from the club to be doing work anywhere else. “Just to wander off for two months and go and take employment with another employer is disrespectful and discourteous.” Pearson said Ms Ward’s line manager at the club, Adam Underwood, had been “extremely vague” when he had sought to clarify with him whether Ward had specifically been given permission. Pearson said: “Mr Underwood has been entirely vague in relation to all communication. “I am amazed that Mr Underwood has not been invited to be a witness because, as far as I am concerned, his evidence is key.” During cross examination by Ms Ward’s barrister, Nicholas Randall, QC, the lawyer accused Pearson of “ambushing” his client with evidence during a disciplinary hearing. Pearson replied: “It’s no ambush.” Mr Randall asked Pearson: “The truth of the matter is that you were told to get rid of Lucy when you were told that Mr Redfearn was on his way out because Mr Cellino told you they came as a pair.” Pearson replied: “Mr Cellino has never made that comment. It is totally untrue.” Earlier in the hearing Mr Randall said to Pearson: “You are lying, Mr Pearson, aren’t you? Pearson replied: “No” The barrister continued: “You knew exactly what happened here. You were told to get rid of her by Mr Cellino.” Pearson replied: “No.” Mr Randall continued: “Everything you have done is completely inconsistent with an honest man embarking on an investigation to find the truth.” Pearson replied: “I take offence at that.” Ms Ward previously told the tribunal that Mr Redfearn was put on “garden leave” just five minutes before she was suspended. She said: “Neil Redfearn was put on garden leave on July 3 about five minutes before I was suspended.” The court also heard that Miss Ward had been locked out of her office and the locks had been changed on her doors without her knowledge in May - two months before her suspension. During evidence by businessman Ismail Ghandour, the tribunal heard that Adam Pearson, Executive Director of Leeds United, had told Mr Ghandour that “Mr Cellino sees them [Miss Ward and Mr Redfearn] as a pair”.
I once spent a six figure sum on a legal action action at the High Court, the case was proven in my favour, but I was awarded nothing by way of compensation or costs, despite it being completely obvious that I was entirely in the right. The law regularly fails to deliver justice.
Who ever the boss is/was/could be, a totally independent judge has found that what they where doing was fair to sack them for. They didn't come to that conclusion to Side with the allams to wind ppl on here up. They came to that conclusion because it was the correct conclusion in their eyes! The allams are ****s. Always will be ****s and where found quilty of sacking them with the wrong procedure but ****s or no ****s they where within their rite to sack them, as found by an independent tribunal!
Utterly bizarre that you would quote my post, given that the club admitted they didn’t follow employment law before the tribunal even began and, successfully as it turned out, tried to limit their cash outlay.
You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. There are a fair few truth horses on here.
They had to know the whole arrangement was wrong. The answer was a disciplinary and written warning to put a marker down. Dismissal was justified but heavy handed. The guys were poorly advised after the dismissal. The crowd funding was ill considered. If you speed every day for three years and then get pulled up, you can't argue for leniency because you've got away with it for years. Law and emotion are poor bedfellows. It's bizarre to seem to argue the club accepted they had not followed procedure simply to limit their cash outlay. The action was brought against them, they reviewed their actions and admitted procedural error. What else were they supposed to do? No one comes out of this well, time to move on.
The groundsmen didn't have to know the whole thing was wrong. The arrangement had lasted for well over a decade and under at least three owners. Its perfectly reasonable to say Hull City/SMC sanctioned his employment with Hull FC. The crux is over the change in his contract of employment which required written permission to be employed by a third party. I would have expected the club to formally tell him that he had to apply for permission or else give up working for Hull FC. It would appear from the press coverage that the SMC didn't do this. The groundsmen didn't help themselves by their evidence at the Tribunal, they should never have lied as that gave the impression they were untrustworthy. But that doesn't take anything away from the fact that the groundsmen signed a contract, the implications of which were not fully explained, and continued working in the same way they'd done for years. The only things they got wrong were not being a member of a union and denying one of them was working for Hull FC on the day in question. Which is next to nothing to the way they've been treated by the Allams.
In the hdm 80 people lost their job with no warning just before Xmas. They did nothing wrong. They deserve sympathy. A liar doesn't deserve sympathy. Breathtaking arrogance to continue to lie with video evidence. Then to go to the press for sympathy was pathetic. They did this to themself. Any employer finding out his employee was working another job in the time he was supposed to be working for him, would do exactly the same.
