S.A.F.C. - the future

[sad-eyed prophet]

It's absolute nonsense isn't it.

I received a very clear message, last Tuesday, that Fuhrman had, at short notice, pulled out of a meeting at Donald's home. I was also sent this same information, by one of Bob's messenger boys, who insisted it was true.

Seriously mate, the idea that Fuhrman would be running around the country, after Donald, during a massive health crisis is ridiculous.

I'm sure the very decent lad who sent me the text repeated it in good faith but, obviously, not just to me. Other people have picked up on it, had it mentioned to them by someone else and it slowly mutated into a fact.

I only post what I really trust from people in a position where they would actually hear something. (The reason I'm posting very little atm.) If it's second hand, from a good source, I used to post it as 'gossip' but don't do that any more, too many people quoted it back to me as if I'd claimed it as fact ... some are still doing that a year later ffs.

As things stand FPP has to be involved no matter what happens, they're currently the biggest investors in the club and Donald can't sneeze unless they pass him a tissue.

Like everybody else,I've been trying to make some sense of this whole thing for over a year now. I try to think about what would seem logical and would make common sense.I think it extremely unlikely that the terms of the deal haven't been hammered out already in London lawyers' offices. At this stage, putting things together from the info we have, I would suggest that a get together between buyer and seller at the latter's home is more likely to be social, than nitty gritty negotiation of a business deal.
SD..." now we've got everything tied up Glen,just waiting for the EFL,why don't you come round for dinner and a drink on Tuesday before you head off home?"....GF....." Very kind of you Stewart,I've one or two things to finish in London,Tuesday sounds good." The following day....GF..." Stewart, somethings come up,got to get back to the US straight away, can I take a rain check on dinner....maybe in a couple of weeks when I'm back again to formally sign off the documents?" SD...." That's fine Glen,just give me a call".
Or,am I just a deluded old fool? (Careful,you lot!!)

 

[Smug in Boots]

Like everybody else,I've been trying to make some sense of this whole thing for over a year now. I try to think about what would seem logical and would make common sense.I think it extremely unlikely that the terms of the deal haven't been hammered out already in London lawyers' offices. At this stage, putting things together from the info we have, I would suggest that a get together between buyer and seller at the latter's home is more likely to be social, than nitty gritty negotiation of a business deal.
SD..." now we've got everything tied up Glen,just waiting for the EFL,why don't you come round for dinner and a drink on Tuesday before you head off home?"....GF....." Very kind of you Stewart,I've one or two things to finish in London,Tuesday sounds good." The following day....GF..." Stewart, somethings come up,got to get back to the US straight away, can I take a rain check on dinner....maybe in a couple of weeks when I'm back again to formally sign off the documents?" SD...." That's fine Glen,just give me a call".
Or,am I just a deluded old fool? (Careful,you lot!!)

Some of the theories are absolutely mental mate.

The idea that Donald/Ashley would engineer elaborate fake takeover bids to 'get the fans off their backs' is crackers ...

... for one thing, it blatantly doesn't work does it

 

[Nacho]

Some of the theories are absolutely mental mate.

The idea that Donald/Ashley would engineer elaborate fake takeover bids to 'get the fans off their backs' is crackers ...

... for one thing, it blatantly doesn't work does it

Yeah I don't get that theory either, if Donald wanted less pressure all he'd have to say is that there are no bids on the table.

 

[Dancingstripes]

Which has nothing to do with him being an “outcast”
Or are you just hoping so much that you are right, that you are making your own definitions up to suit now.
Donald has quite clearly been rejected and ostracised by the vast majority of the fans, irrespective of what he owns

Would you say Mike Ashley is an outcast at Newcastle?

As far as his “customers” are concerned, he certainly is. And that is the context prehab is talking about. There is no way if crowds are around that Donald would be in and around fans, the same as fat boy. He’s even admitted to not being involved with the running of the club and just because he turned up at a ground a stones throw from his home, it doesn’t change that. He would not be welcome back at Sunderland by the vast majority.

Donald or Ashley sit in directors boxes so aren't in and around the fans.

They both own and fund the clubs whilst actively watching games.

To describe them as outcasts is strange, especially because the moment they stop funding the clubs, both would go into administration.

 

[RIC]

SD's personal finances will not be affected by the club's finances. Obviously if the club went under, he'd have lost the money he paid to purchase the club, plus any subsequent investment into it, but it's essentially a completely separate entity from himself. Unless he funnelled every penny he had into the club, we could go bust and fold tomorrow and he would still walk away a millionaire with nothing but damaged pride. The club's assets would be sold to cover outstanding payments and the rest of any debts would be written off, they wouldn't touch his personal wealth at all (unless he owed the club money)...
His only incentive is to sell the club or get investment to try and make profit or at least recoup his outlay. The cost cutting and furlough is to help with the club's financials, avoid extra loans etc. else prospective buyers will do their due diligence and notice several columns in the print-outs sporting a fashionable minus symbol in front.
Whilst I believe he does want to sell the club and leave ASAP, I don't think he's in such a hurry as some may think in a financial sense (aside from getting a price he's happy with).

He would lose personal wealth he may have wanted to move into his other business or another new business. This season big loss would stop that.

 

[sad-eyed prophet]

Some of the theories are absolutely mental mate.

The idea that Donald/Ashley would engineer elaborate fake takeover bids to 'get the fans off their backs' is crackers ...

... for one thing, it blatantly doesn't work does it

Exactly. Some people are so desperate to shoot any FPP deal down that they'll clutch at anything to throw doubt on it.
As I've said,although I have no access to any info.,......and so could be very mistaken......the idea that this deal could be scuppered because GF may have cancelled meeting SD at his house just seems so unlikely to me.

 

[RIC]

There seems to be a wish, from certain people, for a forum/ITK war which is becoming ridiculous.

For that reason I'm going to avoid mentioning RTG from now on.

I know what I know, post what I can and don't want an endless row for other people's idle amusement.

This is usually a decent reasonable forum and I don't want to feel I'm spoiling that. It's my belief that we don't have long to wait for the change we want so I'm happy to bide my time.

So what is the latest mate? Or do we not have a clue on date or who or situation on NDA?

 

[Julio]

Is it a worry that Furhman has pulled out of this meeting last week then?

 

[Confucius]

Would you say Mike Ashley is an outcast at Newcastle?


Donald or Ashley sit in directors boxes so aren't in and around the fans.

They both own and fund the clubs whilst actively watching games.

To describe them as outcasts is strange, especially because the moment they stop funding the clubs, both would go into administration.

In the context of the post it has nothing to do with owning clubs, you can be an outcast of a social group. ie rejected by them and I am sure that is how he feels

 

[Bigmackem]

Would you say Mike Ashley is an outcast at Newcastle?


Donald or Ashley sit in directors boxes so aren't in and around the fans.

They both own and fund the clubs whilst actively watching games.

To describe them as outcasts is strange, especially because the moment they stop funding the clubs, both would go into administration.

Ashley is what I would describe a fair weather supporter he seems to pick and choose his matches some of it will be work related but if he really wanted to go he could . Would be interesting to know how many matches he attended last season ,SD was a regular attender until the pressure/heat was on then he disappeared .

 

[ROKER PARK]

Yeah I don't get that theory either, if Donald wanted less pressure all he'd have to say is that there are no bids on the table.

And then most would say that the price is too high and get on his back.

 

[Nacho]

And then most would say that the price is too high and get on his back.

I don't think so, most would shrug their shoulders and get on with it. Making up a fake takeover that falls through at the last minute is a great way to make every single fan get on your back.

 

[ROKER PARK]

I don't think so, most would shrug their shoulders and get on with it. Making up a fake takeover that falls through at the last minute is a great way to make every single fan get on your back.

We'll just have to agree to disagree then.

 

[Monkey69]

There seems to be a wish, from certain people, for a forum/ITK war which is becoming ridiculous.

For that reason I'm going to avoid mentioning RTG from now on.

I know what I know, post what I can and don't want an endless row for other people's idle amusement.

This is usually a decent reasonable forum and I don't want to feel I'm spoiling that. It's my belief that we don't have long to wait for the change we want so I'm happy to bide my time.

Isn't it obvious that nothing is happening at all and its a cover up that is why a billionaire with an investment in our club is OK travelling to Stewart Donald's home to discuss nothing happening at our club Fredrick Forsythe couldn't of come up with this plot well played Bob and the nuggets

 

[Blond Bombshell]

Would you say Mike Ashley is an outcast at Newcastle?


Donald or Ashley sit in directors boxes so aren't in and around the fans.

They both own and fund the clubs whilst actively watching games.

To describe them as outcasts is strange, especially because the moment they stop funding the clubs, both would go into administration.

Donald sat/stood with the away fans where he got off on the adulation, think that's more relevant to him being described as outcast?

 

[Snaggey]

Is it a worry that Furhman has pulled out of this meeting last week then?

Thing is, bobs post says he ".....changed the meeting at the last minute". Doesnt say pulled out of it or cancelled....for all Bob knows he could have "changed" it from 10.00am to 10.15am as the bus was running late.
Bear in mind, that Bob has been saying for ages that furhman isn't involved. That should tell you all really.

 

[6inarow]

Thing is, when people are saying meetings been changed at the last minute or talks are ongoing because of uncertainty - this is where we are at with everything considering the government are changing the laws of the nation overnight so its very plausible that business deals are getting changed overnight.

 

[Sandy Camel]

Donald or Ashley sit in directors boxes so aren't in and around the fans.

They both own and fund the clubs whilst actively watching games.

To describe them as outcasts is strange, especially because the moment they stop funding the clubs, both would go into administration.

Ashley doesn't fund Newcastle, never has. He's provided interest fee loans, that's it. In fact the mags made a post tax profit of £35 mil according to the 2018-2019 accounts. Hardly being funded by the owner and administration is nowhere on the horizon for them. Ridiculous claim to make.

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As for us, my understanding is administration wouldn't happen if the old Don said no more loans for you as the club would end up in the hands of FPP. Additionally, if the club went into admin old Don gets **** all back. Not one penny. Now, do you really think someone would go for that or would take the option to sell the club and end up losing a few million?

 

[Smug in Boots]

So what is the latest mate? Or do we not have a clue on date or who or situation on NDA?

As I said in the post you quoted,

"I know what I know, post what I can and don't want an endless row for other people's idle amusement."

 

[Smug in Boots]

And then most would say that the price is too high and get on his back.

Does anyone know the price?