I still think Allardyce was showing signs of dissatisfaction before England came in. By that point the purse strings were being tightened, Short wasn't likely to sanction much and I don't think Sam was going to stick around with that being the case. We'll never know mind, but I think it was ****ed well before that ; probably when the very good Bruce team started getting dismantled (bent and Gyan going, bringing in relative plodders like Vaughan and even Larsson). That really started the rot imo and, although we put some plasters on it, we were always struggling to get it right afterwards