Maybe but Burnley will come down with a better squad than they won the championship with (depending who they lose). They’ll have parachute payments aswell. I think they’ll be strong.
We possibly have to rebuild a full team near enough
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We possibly have to rebuild a full team near enough
I think their current squad is worse than the one they won the Championship with to be honest, but even so, the other two relegated clubs are weak.
And ours will be if we lose all the loans, jaden and greaves
Surely the loans are null really, considering they aren’t part of our permanent squad anyway.
We’d only be losing Jaden and Greaves because they’d be going for a fair amount of money that can be reinvested to improve the squad. So, initially, it would be weaker, but you’d expect that, by the end of the summer, losing the two of them would actually lead to net gains.
The problem is though, the core of players who got is higher up the table are all gone. Bar Coyle and Jones, but those 2 have just been consistently good, they’re not the reason we win games.
Turnover of players, like it has been in recent years, is again too high.
But the loans have to be replaced with equal or better players to get us to the next level plus jaden and greaves.
They went from 1st to fourth with 2 wins in about 10 games and they stuck with him and he pulled them back up into the Autos. Like us sticking with Grant in a reasonably similar situation.
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Ha ha. I thought about looking it up too, but then thought .... life's too short!!
So, in summary:
- He joined them mid season when they had been falling like a stone
- He turned their form around v quickly (with 10 games unbeaten, a club record run without conceding, etc)
- The next season, his 1st full season in charge, he got them promoted ... albeit with a mini-mid season 'slump' (!!) where they lost the grand total of TWO games in 10, and drew 3 on the trot twice! (I can see the W poking out on the side too). Maybe there was a bit of apprehension for a short while, but come on. Well done Ipswich for sticking with your manager through such an horrendous time. [HASHTAG]#guffaw[/HASHTAG]
Here's a reminder of more facts:
- "With McKenna's first full season in charge, the following season proved more successful. Following an undefeated streak of 18 league games, and breaking several club records, on 29 April 2023, Ipswich were promoted back to the Championship after defeating Exeter City 6–0.[66] Ipswich finished the 2022–23 season in second place, with 98 points and scoring 101 league goals"
The top of the division was competitive with 3 clubs amassing well over 90 points (Plymouth, Ipswich, Wednesday). Ipswich only lost 4 all season. Scored 101, conceded only 35.
As for the budget argument, a lot of that can be legacies he inherited. It didn't work for Lambert and it didn't work for Cook. It did for McKenna.
As if he was really under threat!! Moments of anxiousness of course, but come on.
BTW, I actually know an Ipswich fan who lives close by to me. He moved up here years ago. We often talk football. I remember him saying that he was very happy with the manager who had turned them around and got them playing good football, and with new ownership that seemed to have them heading back in the right direction at last.
Hopefully the utter nonsense about them 'giving him time' to build something and 'sticking with him' is now put to bed.
That's exactly what he said last summer! In addition to robust players who can give us 40+ games a season (or some similar figure it was).
If he brings in experience (so long as his definition is not Sharp!) then it might, just might, be a hopeful sign that he's learning / prepared to change his thinking.
I think some people are seriously under-estimating the challenge that Burnley, Luton and Sheff U will pose next season. As far as I'm aware, they won't come down in a mess. They were far too strong for us last time and will likely be stronger next season. Convince me why they wouldn't be and why next season will "be more open than for some time"?
I agree, I’m not sure what the ownership situation is with the blunts. They sold some of their better players at the start of the season. I don’t think they spent much and they’ll have parachute payments. They should have a good chunk to go again
He’ll still ignore it just rambles on and on and on
McKenna probably never came up against a low slung defence tho
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You asked to have it pointed out where they 'stuck with him' when fans were getting antsy with him, I was merely using the resource you linked in this thread to do that. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but that doesn't rewrite history.
Leicester fans were lining up to have Maresca sacked before Monday’s win. Nowt queerer than folk.
Makes absolutely no sense at all saying the loanees are null and void - unless you're planning on having a squad 6 players smaller than it is now then they need replacing, regardless of whether they're permanents or loanees.
Of course they need replacing. What I meant by null is that they weren’t ours before and won’t be ours after. Loan players coming in and going out doesn’t really affect the true strength of our core foundation of permanent players.
When under Acun’s ownership have we finished higher than we probably will this season? Which permanent players got us to that non-existent position higher than we are now and then left the club?
'Antsy'? The assertion was that he was 'given time' and that the club 'stuck with him', not that fans were getting a little 'antsy', butterflies, a little anxious (which was inevitable when there was 3 stand out teams fighting for the top 2 and you can't win every game you play).
The club haven't 'give him time' and haven't 'stuck with him'; they haven't had to as, in the short time he's been there, he's been nothing but successful from the off, even smashing club records along the way. They drew 3 games on the trot last season, shock horror; my, how they stuck with him!!!
I'm not re-writing history at all, the history is there for anyone to plainly see.
Tbh, I couldn't care less about other clubs and what went on. I mean, they're hardly Norwich are they. I just don't like absolute nonsense being spouted. Let's please give it up now.
Obviously. But we didn’t have them last summer, so them leaving doesn’t actually make us weaker than we were then, does it?
It’s like if you have a mate that lends you a hat, and after a few days you give it back. You had zero hats before you borrowed the hat, and you’ve gone back to having zero hats. Not minus-one hats.
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David Prutton made a good point on the 1904 podcast, basically saying our squad is not as good as everyone likes to make out and I have to agree.
Delap - Scored 1 goal at Preston, 3 goals at Stoke
Morton - Only his second full season, first season he got 2 assists
Philogene - 4 goals and 1 assist at Cardiff last season
Zaroury - 7 goals and 5 assists at Burnley
Connolly - 2 goals at Middlesbrough
The best of the bunch is Carvalho - 10 goals and 8 assists nearly 3 years ago but has struggled since
Think people need to realise we haven’t signed players that are going to piss the league, we’ve got players with potential, some early in their careers, and some that need to prove themselves.
Delap - Scored 1 goal at Preston, 3 goals at Stoke
Morton - Only his second full season, first season he got 2 assists
Philogene - 4 goals and 1 assist at Cardiff last season
Zaroury - 7 goals and 5 assists at Burnley
Connolly - 2 goals at Middlesbrough
The best of the bunch is Carvalho - 10 goals and 8 assists nearly 3 years ago but has struggled since
Think people need to realise we haven’t signed players that are going to piss the league, we’ve got players with potential, some early in their careers, and some that need to prove themselves.
They are like Norwich. From a smaller place than Hull but well run and good support. Though Ipswich are owned by someone well off and Norwich aren’t.
It does when they’re largely the reason why we were so successful this season.
We aren’t just replacing loanees, we are replacing premier league quality players in 3 cases.