Robert Koren

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Bum_Chinned_Crab said:
Let's be clear, there is no way this has slipped out by accident and I can think of only 2 reasons why we would choose to draw attention to the clause:
1) For whatever reason we want to sell whilst claiming 'there was nothing the club could do about it' and painting Koren and his agent as the villains of the piece. It's the perfect way to make an unpopular sale.
2) We expect him to sign a new contract with no such clause or expect him to simply refuse to leave even if the clause is met, therefore showcasing to everyone how much faith there is in the 'brave new Hull City' and a wave of optimism takes us towards the title.

I reckon it's number 1.
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I have no problem with Koren going to the PL, it's forward step for him but going to Leicester is a sideways step at least and I would argue that it's a backwards one judging by our movement in the transfer window. If he goes to Leicester it's for money and nothing else. Luckily though this isn't happening on deadline day so we have plenty of time to replace him if he does leave.
 
You do a job. You get paid. You like that job. Someone else offers you MORE money for doing the job you love somewhere else. You leave to do the job you love somewhere else.

Omg you mean there's no LOYALTY in football?!!?

If he gets offered more money ANYWHERE else, even with Drogba in a 2nd division, good luck to him. I'll be sorry to see him go, he's a great player, but he's coming to the end of the small window he can earn decent money in and I'd wish him well if he leaves for those reasons, even yes, to Leicester.

It's not like we'd have sold him and not bought in a few quality players already. I hope he chooses to stay here but he he chooses to leave, you can hardly blame him, the club or think it spells the doom of our forthcoming season.
 
To be honest, with the proposed signing of another speedy winger and Bruce's talk of always playing 2 strikers I cant see a role for Robbie. Put it this way, if I was in Bruce's shoes I'd be looking at a way to shift him and blame someone else....
 
Bum_Chinned_Crab said:
To be honest, with the proposed signing of another speedy winger and Bruce's talk of always playing 2 strikers I cant see a role for Robbie. Put it this way, if I was in Bruce's shoes I'd be looking at a way to shift him and blame someone else....
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Yup, this is what I see too.
 
Plus telling everyone its 500k all teams in the bottom half of the premiership will think fukin hell thats cheap, great addition for a 25 man squad. So starts a bidding war. If we can get just over a million for him and its from the prem, jobs a good one.
 
Madhog said:
You do a job. You get paid. You like that job. Someone else offers you MORE money for doing the job you love somewhere else. You leave to do the job you love somewhere else.

Omg you mean there's no LOYALTY in football?!!?

If he gets offered more money ANYWHERE else, even with Drogba in a 2nd division, good luck to him. I'll be sorry to see him go, he's a great player, but he's coming to the end of the small window he can earn decent money in and I'd wish him well if he leaves for those reasons, even yes, to Leicester.

It's not like we'd have sold him and not bought in a few quality players already. I hope he chooses to stay here but he he chooses to leave, you can hardly blame him, the club or think it spells the doom of our forthcoming season.
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I agree with this. Clubs aren't loyal to players so why should players be loyal to clubs. I bet the majority of the fans on here who talk about loyalty would change jobs for an extra 25% pay.
 
Chazz Rheinhold said:
Plus telling everyone its 500k all teams in the bottom half of the premiership will think fukin hell thats cheap, great addition for a 25 man squad. So starts a bidding war. If we can get just over a million for him and its from the prem, jobs a good one.
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Why would there be a bidding war over the fee? The bidding would be over his wage. They'd all just bid the minimum fee.

I still can't see any reason why Bruce would want him out. That's crazy talk.
 
Theo said:
Why would there be a bidding war over the fee? The bidding would be over his wage. They'd all just bid the minimum fee.

I still can't see any reason why Bruce would want him out. That's crazy talk.
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As i undertand it Theo, the 500k triggers a clause saying he can talk to clubs. We then have the choice if a number of clubs are interested. Then the auctiion starts and we take the highest bidder.
 
Chazz Rheinhold said:
As i undertand it Theo, the 500k triggers a clause saying he can talk to clubs. We then have the choice if a number of clubs are interested. Then the auctiion starts and we take the highest bidder.
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Will wait and see. I've no idea how these things work in the real world. Rare to see a clause outside of Championship Manager. Or La Liga.
 
At the end of the day he will go where he can get paid the most, he doesnt have too many pay days left and you are going to take that chance if it arises. Not sure an EPL will come in for him though unless as a back up and not sure if he would want that. His agent was specualting before Bruce came and he is still here which seems a good sign and he has reported back for training. I am sure lots goes on behind the scenes and you would think he he was going it might be a bit more obvious. I guess the ball is in his court and how the deal we offer compares...but with the new signings if he goes he is going to miss out on exciting times ahead....
 
Chazz Rheinhold said:
As i undertand it Theo, the 500k triggers a clause saying he can talk to clubs. We then have the choice if a number of clubs are interested. Then the auctiion starts and we take the highest bidder.
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Nah, not at all. He can talk to anyone who bids enough to trigger the release clause and we have zero say where he goes. If one club bids £5m and another 500k, if the release clause is 500k then we cant stop him choosing them.
 
Bum_Chinned_Crab said:
Nah, not at all. He can talk to anyone who bids enough to trigger the release clause and we have zero say where he goes. If one club bids £5m and another 500k, if the release clause is 500k then we cant stop him choosing them.
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Disagree. None of us knows what else is in the contract and the Allams are no mugs.

Cant remember the name of the Argie full back who Liverpool bid for, highest bidder, Fergie refused.

Think the Allams and SB would do the same. If he goes it has to be a prem club, we arent going to let a rival have him.
 
Chazz Rheinhold said:
Disagree. None of us knows what else is in the contract and the Allams are no mugs.

Cant remember the name of the Argie full back who Liverpool bid for, highest bidder, Fergie refused.

Think the Allams and SB would do the same. If he goes it has to be a prem club, we arent going to let a rival have him.
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They didn't write the contract and Steve Bruce says we're "powerless". Hopefully Reading will come in for him but I think it's all about Leicester.

Koren must respect NP. He came here when we were in chaos. NP must have charmed him.
 
Chazz Rheinhold said:
Disagree. None of us knows what else is in the contract and the Allams are no mugs.

Cant remember the name of the Argie full back who Liverpool bid for, highest bidder, Fergie refused.

Think the Allams and SB would do the same. If he goes it has to be a prem club, we arent going to let a rival have him.
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You mean Heinze? Ferguson asked him out of respect not to sign for Liverpool and he agreed and he wanted Real Madrid anyway. And in a roundabout way you have inadvertantly proved my point - as you said, Liverpool bid more but cos Real activiated the trigger he went there, which was exactly the point I made as below!!

"Nah, not at all. He can talk to anyone who bids enough to trigger the release clause and we have zero say where he goes. If one club bids £5m and another 500k, if the release clause is 500k then we cant stop him choosing them."
 
The GodTiger said:
If he had sense, he'd stay with us and have regular football and a chance at more goals.

Should he leave for Leicester, he would probably be on the bench, and would not be in the position he likes.

Premier League should really be the only temptation, but otherwise, he should sign for us again.
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Its been hinted at that Only PL clubs can trigger the release clause for starters. Nobody is getting killed in the rush for Koren either. RK agent has been spilling the beans for weeks. Hull City have done what Koren wanted so its now upto Koren to put up or shut up.

BernsteinTiger said:
I will never question Koren's ability. He's been an outstanding player, but if he just walks away now - frankly he can go, because he's not the player I thought he was.

Koren wanted to see commitment to the club - he said in the summer he wanted to see the club moving forward. Since then, we got Bruce in as a Manager, and now we have signed or are close to signing Jakupovic, Amos, Proschwitz, Faye and Aluko.

If he walks away from that, then he is being a mercenary, pure and simple. Even that I could forgive somewhat if it was for the top flight - but if he heads to another championship side - I will lose a lot of respect for the man.
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Spot on. <applause> Cannot agree more with this post. Thats why its only the neg heads who think Koren will go.

Bum_Chinned_Crab said:
Let's be clear, there is no way this has slipped out by accident and I can think of only 2 reasons why we would choose to draw attention to the clause:
1) For whatever reason we want to sell whilst claiming 'there was nothing the club could do about it' and painting Koren and his agent as the villains of the piece. It's the perfect way to make an unpopular sale.
2) We expect him to sign a new contract with no such clause or expect him to simply refuse to leave even if the clause is met, therefore showcasing to everyone how much faith there is in the 'brave new Hull City' and a wave of optimism takes us towards the title.

I reckon it's number 1.
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Option No.2 imo. From what ive seen of him so far in pre-season and whats been said Koren is in no way in a rush to leave especially for a club like Leicester City. But as always TWT.

Bum_Chinned_Crab said:
To be honest, with the proposed signing of another speedy winger and Bruce's talk of always playing 2 strikers I cant see a role for Robbie. Put it this way, if I was in Bruce's shoes I'd be looking at a way to shift him and blame someone else....
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Does not have be an issue. IF Bruve goes with his 3 at the back then Koren can play in the 5 and in the hole. What Bruce is doing IMO is giving himself many and varied options. I expect a horses for courses policy actually from SB. Plus with 7 subs back again what a bench Bruce can have regardless of who plays.

Barmbys_Tan said:
Can't see him leaving myself, seems to enjoy it here
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Could not agree more. :emoticon-0103-cool:
 
Bum_Chinned_Crab said:
You mean Heinze? Ferguson asked him out of respect not to sign for Liverpool and he agreed and he wanted Real Madrid anyway. And in a roundabout way you have inadvertantly proved my point - as you said, Liverpool bid more but cos Real activiated the trigger he went there, which was exactly the point I made as below!!

"Nah, not at all. He can talk to anyone who bids enough to trigger the release clause and we have zero say where he goes. If one club bids £5m and another 500k, if the release clause is 500k then we cant stop him choosing them."
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Neither of us knows the ins and outs of Korens contract. But lets put it this way Mr allam will/would do all in his power to stop him signing for Leicester.
Google Heinze and Fergie transfer, think you will find Heinze did want to link up with Mascherano at Pool and Fergie flat refused to let him go there.
 
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