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Imp is talking about trans **** again. Sheesh. Just start the hormone treatment already! We don’t mind!
I am saying that people talk about women's rights at the same time as attacking women for arguing for women's rights. I personally have no skin in that game I'm afraid.
 
I am saying that people talk about women's rights at the same time as attacking women for arguing for women's rights. I personally have no skin in that game I'm afraid.
I have heard nothing about trans stuff in a year from anyone. Except on X where it seems like a thing. Like, rightwingers talkiing about leftwingers loving the trans stuff. When nobody gives a ****.
 
I have heard nothing about trans stuff in a year from anyone. Except on X where it seems like a thing. Like, rightwingers talkiing about leftwingers loving the trans stuff. When nobody gives a ****.

Women do give a ****. Before I got suspended from twitter a few days ago, it is full of left wingers attacking women that challenge trans policy and target anyone that dares to disagree. Like I say. That is not my fight but I am not the one that tries to attack the right wing about "reducing women's rights."
 
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I think the key is is what you are saying here in the "better off" bit. This was (as usual) an election about "the economy stupid" and while the left of the western world go on a policy sheet of ideological ideas the folks lower down the chain vote against it because those ideological ideas are leaving them with (a lot) less $$$ / £££ in their pockets.

The left can't continue to bang on about immigration being key "because they do the jobs the natives won't do" when the natives were doing them before the politicos bowed down to their masters and turned it into a self fulfilling prophecy by flooding labour markets intentionally.

The left can't continue to bang on about "women's rights" yet wholesale get behind policies of the trans lobby that erode women's rights. And then blame women for voting against them.

The left can't continue to think they can brush off any critique of their world view by shouting 'isms" at people.

And the Tories are included in that left. While people want to bang on about the words they use and the policies they announced that they never intended to get through, they were actually still doing the exact same centrist BS that has the western world in a deep pile of trouble at the moment which a lot of unsavoury characters are managing to utilise!!

The left need to stop hiding behind shield names like "progressive" or "centrist" when there is not a jot of progress intended and the centrist agenda is quite literally to push a trickle up setup at all of our expenses in plain sight with no need to hide anything.

This lot have left us with these demagogues, as you like to call them, because they do not listen at all any more, nor represent any constituent other than their paymasters and big business.

The whole "we need to rejoin the EU ASAP" is so delusional that I can only see it as being someone still praying to the alter of Juncker's wallet. Even Tusk ignores the rules he espoused in the Brexit era these days! When the new leader of the US (our largest individual trading partner country) is suggesting tariffs all round why would we want to rejoin the EU that will for sure not be able to do a deal with the US at all? Its just mad.

But hey ho, "Orange man bad" is the call to arms while we disappear into a hellhole made by "progressives" while they drive our living costs up with their ideologies and tell women their rights don't count anymore.

Do I expect it to change? Nope because it will be more of the same. More of the "we aren't getting our message across" and I hate to think where we will be in a decade!

At least Farage will be too old by the time they catch up the red blue uni-party.

Or hopefully some people might wake up to the fact that this globalist "centrist" lot are determined to keep fleecing us all in order to make more money for their friends in big corp that will definitely not be helping any of us out. People voting for the very people that as a block have chuckled their way to increasing inequality to insane levels. People voting for the very people that want to censor anything that counters their view while somehow thinking they believe in freedom of speech.

I don't entirely disagree with this. Good post tbf.
 
Women do give a ****. Before I got suspended from twitter a few days ago, it is full of left wingers attacking women that challenge trans policy and target anyone that dares to disagree. Like I say. That is not my fight but I am not the one that tries to attack the right wing about "reducing women's rights."

You’re wasting your time. Unless loading can find a random academic paper about this topic on an obscure university website, he won’t be able to form a coherent opinion on the subject. He will just pretend there are no issues
 
Imps nailed it.

Many people are crying hard about trump winning. But he ran an excellent campaign on;
- reducing energy prices
- reducing inflation
- Stopping mass immigration
- Making the streets safer
- Bringing industry back to America


The Dems ran a campaign on hate and division. Their only tactic is to basically call Trump Hitler and cause as much anger in people as possible. They had no answers for the very real issues that people are feeling.

Luckily the good people of America saw straight through it.

The same issues are being felt here, it’s just we don’t have a political party that’s speaking up for working people in the UK.
 
You’re wasting your time. Unless loading can find a random academic paper about this topic on an obscure university website, he won’t be able to form a coherent opinion on the subject. He will just pretend there are no issues
I'm not really trying to convince anyone on the trans issue. It really isn't something that bothers me (as a man) that much. I am trying to point out that you can't use the "women's rights" line of attack while those that just lost an election have spent years telling (biological) women to pipe down, and dismissing them, when they have been raising questions about women's rights.
 
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Imps nailed it.

Many people are crying hard about trump winning. But he ran an excellent campaign on;
- reducing energy prices
- reducing inflation
- Stopping mass immigration
- Making the streets safer
- Bringing industry back to America


The Dems ran a campaign on hate and division. Their only tactic is to basically call Trump Hitler and cause as much anger in people as possible. They had no answers for the very real issues that people are feeling.

Luckily the good people of America saw straight through it.

The same issues are being felt here, it’s just we don’t have a political party that’s speaking up for working people in the UK.

Agreed on this. He did run a campaign on issues, and the Dems ran a ridiculous campaign based on not being Trump. Hence their loss.

Now whether he does the right things on the above is to be seen. I think the US will see short term improvements, but it'll shaft them financially long term - something I doubt he gives a toss about, as long as he looks good at the time.
 
Agreed on this. He did run a campaign on issues, and the Dems ran a ridiculous campaign based on not being Trump. Hence their loss.

Now whether he does the right things on the above is to be seen. I think the US will see short term improvements, but it'll shaft them financially long term - something I doubt he gives a toss about, as long as he looks good at the time.

Every single government, right or left, since… WW1(?) has ****ed over the finances in the long term.

When was the last time any western government ran a surplus or balanced the finances in any way? I can’t remember without looking

That’s why we are where we are.
 
Every single government, right or left, since… WW1(?) has ****ed over the finances in the long term.

When was the last time any western government ran a surplus or balanced the finances in any way? I can’t remember without looking

That’s why we are where we are.

I don't know, but I'd guess if you were to do so, you'd be the most unpopular government of all time and would only last the four years you have.
 
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Agreed on this. He did run a campaign on issues, and the Dems ran a ridiculous campaign based on not being Trump. Hence their loss.

Now whether he does the right things on the above is to be seen. I think the US will see short term improvements, but it'll shaft them financially long term - something I doubt he gives a toss about, as long as he looks good at the time.
I pretty much agree with this. short term hit followed by ??? I guess it depends on whether the "we must learn from our mistakes" message actually results in any learning or just "full steam ahead" again next time round?

It is weird though that Trump's policies would result in this outcome when that is also the analysis of the Labour policies in that now we are forecast a short term higher growth followed by then reduced growth after that? In that they went for policies that would give an immediate (although fake) boost to growth that will then result in lower future growth.
 
Every single government, right or left, since… WW1(?) has ****ed over the finances in the long term.

When was the last time any western government ran a surplus or balanced the finances in any way? I can’t remember without looking

That’s why we are where we are.
Blair/Brown first 2 years resulted in 2000/1 being a surplus when they followed Tory spending policies for those first 2 years during what was the mid to late nineties boom..........however this was aided by a lot of "spending" not being actually "borrowed" money by government and instead utilising PFI (buy now pay later credit) to pay for that spending which we all now know the end results of.
 
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I also find it really funny how the ghouls from the Dems (also the EU/Globalists) didn’t mind Twitter’s ‘influence’ when Trump was banned from Twitter and they had complete control of the narrative. Now they’re moaning about free speech because the truth is getting out.

Kamala had 99% of corporate media on her side.

Trump had Fox, Elon, and a few podcasts.

And they still got absolutely hammered because the truth hurts them. They’ve done a ridiculously bad job for the last 4 years.
 
I also find it really funny how the ghouls from the Dems (also the EU/Globalists) didn’t mind Twitter’s ‘influence’ when Trump was banned from Twitter and they had complete control of the narrative. Now they’re moaning about free speech because the truth is getting out.

Kamala had 99% of corporate media on her side.

Trump had Fox, Elon, and a few podcasts.

And they still got absolutely hammered because the truth hurts them. They’ve done a ridiculously bad job for the last 4 years.

They are quite happy with the tech when they can control things. Once they are not in control of it then they start pushing for censorship. Same with facebook. They were happy with what facebook were doing with data mining when Obama was utilising it. But then we saw how "disgusted" they were with data mining when "the other side" utilised the very same methods and results didn't go their way.

The whole furore over Musk is not about what is essentially just him allowing free speech at all. It is because he isn't bowing down to their demands for censorship of things that they don't like or that endanger their dreams of forever power of the status quo. We've moved on from the Blair/Brown model of cosying up to print media and controlling the narrative that way to them thinking they should be able to do the same with internet social media which is a much more global thing and they have no chance other than state censorship.........which they seem quite happy to push for despite their constant criticism of countries like China or Russia doing exactly that.


Until these "progressives" wake up to the fact that to progress you need to take the people with you and do their jobs of representing the plebiscite and that they are not oracles that must tell the populace what to do (as in authoritarians) then we are gonna continue this trajectory downward allowing the increasingly worst of the worst to worm their way into the argument.

We have made a huge amount of progress on many many issues over the past decades and even now we have made progress on societal issues since the days of the 70s/80s. huge progress however that has all come while in the background they shafted us all on the economy side of things. As always with this modern Neo Lib lot that came from the early nineties onward they use societal issues and "solutions" to blindside us of this big corp takeover.

Centrism globalism should be called out for what it is. They are utilising societal progress (a good thing) while at the same time driving the public money up the tree to the rich (bad right wing thing.)

What the western world calls "left wing" is a deceitful notion of playing games with the charade of "making things better for people while they rob you blind as we all celebrate the societal progress.

And while that may lead to people saying why we should've voted Corbyn (I would probably have supported that tbh) at the end of the day Corbyn in the UK system would have been reeled in like Johnson in the Tories and stopped early on by the centrists. which is quite funny because Johnson was pretty much a centrist himself.

Centrism needs to die. Centre politics is fine. Governing from the centre is fine. Fakers calling themselves Centrists should send the shivers down anyone's spine because they are the ones that smile, tell you nice things, but then steal everything you have.
 
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So the EU want social media platforms not to:

promote crime, like child pornography

promote hate speech, such as racism, anti-semitism

to deal with people blatantly lying about issues that may cost lives.

That is what the EU regulations are requiring. Which one of those do you want the freedom to do, exactly?
 
So the EU want social media platforms not to:

promote crime, like child pornography

promote hate speech, such as racism, anti-semitism

to deal with people blatantly lying about issues that may cost lives.

That is what the EU regulations are requiring. Which one of those do you want the freedom to do, exactly?

You poor, naive soul
 
Mate, it is law. Go look at the statute and stop believing the lies.

You are on a site right now that also bans hate speech. Say something hateful and get banned (again). Why don’t you leave as your rights are being restricted?

You’re incredibly thick dude. Spectacularly so.

There’s a huge difference between censoring and shadow banning accounts to force political narratives to hundreds of millions of people, and a couple of people chatting on a forum.

The EU and their ghoulish friends are using “hate speech” as a way to control discourse.

I already know your reply will be “no they aren’t”; however there IS irrevocable proof. You’re just a Luddite that refuses to accept the truth.