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Meanwhile , the SAS and armed police are now required to protect our Remembrance Day.
You would be wise to acknowledge the very real problems in this country
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Meanwhile , the SAS and armed police are now required to protect our Remembrance Day.
You would be wise to acknowledge the very real problems in this country
I don’t understand your obsession with being wrong on every topic, but there we are
Still waiting for your explanation of how $940m is 10 x less than $1.27bn. An apology is due but not expected.
Emanating from right wing hate mobs as last year and after the Southport atrocity.
"London protests: Met condemns 'extreme violence' of far-right.
Nine officers were injured and 145 people arrested - the "vast majority" of whom were counter-protesters."
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67390514
"Sir Keir Starmer has slammed a ‘Nazi salute at the Cenotaph’ during a violent protest after the Southport stabbings.
The Prime Minister also condemned flares being fired at the statue of Winston Churchill in Parliament Square."
In London, a large protest was staged under the title of Enough is Enough, with arrests made after demonstrators clashed with officers in Whitehall on Wednesday.
"The Metropolitan Police arrested 111 people after officers were attacked and subjected to assault during the protest, the force said."
"Demonstrators were seen launching beer cans and glass bottles at a line of police in riot gear in front of Downing Street and throwing flares onto the statue of Winston Churchill in Parliament Square."
"The angry scenes also included loud chants of “we want our country back” and “Oh Tommy Robinson”, referring to the Right-wing activist"
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/pol...t-violent-far-right-nazi-salute-b1174374.html
"To date, (07 Aug 2024) riots by the far right have impacted some 20 towns and cities across the UK. Hundreds have been arrested and there has been violence against properties and buildings, and also against people, particularly Muslims. All of this is seemingly a response to misinformation following a knife attack on a children’s dance class in the northern town of Southport in which three small girls were killed. Online rumours suggested the attacker was a Muslim asylum seeker and anti-Islam actors quickly mobilised. The violence has been ongoing.
https://www.icct.nl/publication/british-disorder-why-we-need-take-far-right-violence-more-seriously
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There is a difference. I am not a Trump fan at all, nor a Farage fan. I think people like Tommy Robinson are dangerous as well as the AFD in Germany and to an extent Le Pen's lot in France but they are given the room to grow by this defence of the Centrists and their agendas. It isn't an "either/or" but that is how they defend things. If you're not backing the centrists then you are "one of them" and it is driving people to the extremes.
nor particularly right wing per se. I am just not blind to the whole Centrist BS that is fleecing us all while being defended for no apparent reason by people that are supposedly left wing.
The whole drive to increase tax on the rich, backed by vested left wing rich who will go on air and say "we want to pay more" in defence of these tax raises misleads everyone. They know that half these rich people will leave. They also know that they can already pay more if they want without any need to have a blanket "pay more" policy. What they are actually wanting to do is drive their rich opponents on the other side out so that they can control their political puppets without opposition.
Why do they need to go on TV to say "There are lots of millionaires/billionares that want to pay more?" Why do they not just do it? And why do they put so much money into their puppet's election campaigns instead of into the public purse seeing as they say they want to do that!
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Maybe I've not followed but replying to that post of Os with the reply you have is confusing. Reading other posts. Yes Labour/Starmer has more respect on the International stage. That's because they are all on the same page. Blindside people with societal "progress" while making more ad more policy to pull the money up the tree. Get the plebs fighting over the "culture wars" while we steal their money. This is not a Tory thing. It is all of them. We could do with 5 years of all western governments putting a hold on any more societal stuff and holding them to the can about their monetary policies. focus on why so much money is going upward. Of course "trickle down economics" doesn't work when that isn't their intention. They intentional move the money upward instead of down.
And Os's list is not pointing at America. It is something the Centrists are doing across the western world. Take all opponents to court. Silence their political opponents. Take control of all media avenues and censor any dissent. It is very real and is not just an America problem.
The UK problem is that people seem to see a difference between the Tories and Labour purely because they say different things........but their actions are almost exactly the same. Talk is one thing but actions are more important and they both bow down to the centrist agenda.
The global problem is that anything not on this line is branded as fascist or far right and anyone that does not agree with the centrist parties branded as such because they don't vote for the status quo.
Labour are doing some different things to the Tories but the end result is the same. Policies designed to move money to their rich friends out of the public purse.
People are not voting for Trump or Farage because they are far right or fascist. The majority probably don't even like these guys, however when the other options are a conglomerate of centrists that say slightly different things but do the same, people will vote for "other."
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I’m having an existential crisis. I was uncomfortable being labelled a far-left extremist, but I could live with it. Now it turns out I’m propping up the centrists.
I don't think you're far left. Actual left leaning folks aren't too bad IMO. The problem the world has is that the vast bulk of decent left leaning folks seem to be duped by the faux left like Macron and the EU and the Dems. The world would be a decent place if the options we have as "left" were what they try to paint themselves as but they're not. I have said before when I do one of those political test things I end up on the left of it. Yet I am the "alt-right" mad fascist conspiracy theorist?
This stuff has been caused by the whole "either/or" of modern political discourse. "If you don't agree with us you're one of them" but at the end of the day we all end up voting for someone that may have certain policies we strongly disagree with because the other option has more policies we disagree with. Its all a bit silly that ends up with a "you're one of them" or you're labelled an "enabler."
This is me btw. don't believe if you want but I answered all the questions honestly:
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I think the issue here is that being left or right isn't as binary as it sounds. There are a lot of increments to the left and right and it also depends on the topic and subject matter. What happens is that you have differing views based on the subject matter with varying swings to the left or right. Then all of a sudden you are labelled a centralist.
Also, you tend to have opinions based on your circumstances and your past experiences. I find older people tend to lean more towards their ideals and younger more to what is good for them now. Huge generalisation (and there are exceptions), but the underlying issue I feel.
There is also IMO a lot of difference between 'textbook' politics and actual real world politics. For example, tax less, spend more in theory on a basic level will grow the economy as everyone will in theory have more deposable income and then be able to spend it. What actually happens is people below the breadline just come above it and the wealthy save their money so it doesn't work. Likewise spending billions on public services is a good thing, but unless that is used properly all it does is not raise the level of service and leaves a huge debt.
That is what gets me on here is that we get labelled left, right (and now central). I would like to think and hope that we as humans are more complex than that.
Also, you tend to have opinions based on your circumstances and your past experiences. I find older people tend to lean more towards their ideals and younger more to what is good for them now. Huge generalisation (and there are exceptions), but the underlying issue I feel.
There is also IMO a lot of difference between 'textbook' politics and actual real world politics. For example, tax less, spend more in theory on a basic level will grow the economy as everyone will in theory have more deposable income and then be able to spend it. What actually happens is people below the breadline just come above it and the wealthy save their money so it doesn't work. Likewise spending billions on public services is a good thing, but unless that is used properly all it does is not raise the level of service and leaves a huge debt.
That is what gets me on here is that we get labelled left, right (and now central). I would like to think and hope that we as humans are more complex than that.
A large single malt or premium bourbon restores the equilibrium. On second thoughts we're popping out for lunch so a gentleman's G&T to kick off with, glass or two of robust red, coffee and cognac to round it off.
The Central thing is a misnomer. There is no actual central option on offer. The only way you can call Centrist politicians balanced is if you accept extreme right economics and extreme left social policy balancing each other out on the see saw = the centre ground.
To me the centre ground would be a little more left social and a little more right on economics not this faux care about people lie in order to max out the profits for their friends which is where we are at the moment.
I've been pretty consistent over the years in saying if globalism / centrism was what it says it is it would be a good thing and there would be no argument against it.....but it isn't and all the socially acceptable mission statements in the world cannot hide that their aim is to make the rich richer. It is pointless to talk about fighting inequality.........while making policy that actually bolsters the rich's stranglehold on the world.
Left wing folks hearts are generally in the right place.
They have just been incredibly duped, over many years, about what actually leads to better societal outcomes. (And what the Dems/Labour/EU/WEF all actually stand for)
Is that an admission that your heart isn’t in the right place, being as you are right wing?
either/or lol. just saying. This is exactly what I mean. with us or against us. no middle ground. no nuance.
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Another multiple knife attack in London.
The classic ‘not terror related’ though, so that’s ok then!
Is there a chance it’s not terror related? Or do you just assume/ know/ want it to be.
I find it sad they have to say not terror related so racist thugs don’t spread race hate on social media.
It’s almost that it means white British people don’t stab/ kill anyone…….which is obviously untrue.