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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. ImpSaint

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    I am saying that people talk about women's rights at the same time as attacking women for arguing for women's rights. I personally have no skin in that game I'm afraid.
     
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    I have heard nothing about trans stuff in a year from anyone. Except on X where it seems like a thing. Like, rightwingers talkiing about leftwingers loving the trans stuff. When nobody gives a ****.
     
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    This makes me so happy. The world has such a strong chance to progress now.

    I particularly enjoy how upset it’s making the left
     
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    I'm not sure if they are woke or not, just a load of batshit folks that do this BS for the admiration of their echo chambers.
     
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    Women do give a ****. Before I got suspended from twitter a few days ago, it is full of left wingers attacking women that challenge trans policy and target anyone that dares to disagree. Like I say. That is not my fight but I am not the one that tries to attack the right wing about "reducing women's rights."
     
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    I don't entirely disagree with this. Good post tbf.
     
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    You’re wasting your time. Unless loading can find a random academic paper about this topic on an obscure university website, he won’t be able to form a coherent opinion on the subject. He will just pretend there are no issues
     
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    Imps nailed it.

    Many people are crying hard about trump winning. But he ran an excellent campaign on;
    - reducing energy prices
    - reducing inflation
    - Stopping mass immigration
    - Making the streets safer
    - Bringing industry back to America


    The Dems ran a campaign on hate and division. Their only tactic is to basically call Trump Hitler and cause as much anger in people as possible. They had no answers for the very real issues that people are feeling.

    Luckily the good people of America saw straight through it.

    The same issues are being felt here, it’s just we don’t have a political party that’s speaking up for working people in the UK.
     
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    I'm not really trying to convince anyone on the trans issue. It really isn't something that bothers me (as a man) that much. I am trying to point out that you can't use the "women's rights" line of attack while those that just lost an election have spent years telling (biological) women to pipe down, and dismissing them, when they have been raising questions about women's rights.
     
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    Agreed on this. He did run a campaign on issues, and the Dems ran a ridiculous campaign based on not being Trump. Hence their loss.

    Now whether he does the right things on the above is to be seen. I think the US will see short term improvements, but it'll shaft them financially long term - something I doubt he gives a toss about, as long as he looks good at the time.
     
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    Every single government, right or left, since… WW1(?) has ****ed over the finances in the long term.

    When was the last time any western government ran a surplus or balanced the finances in any way? I can’t remember without looking

    That’s why we are where we are.
     
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    I don't know, but I'd guess if you were to do so, you'd be the most unpopular government of all time and would only last the four years you have.
     
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    I pretty much agree with this. short term hit followed by ??? I guess it depends on whether the "we must learn from our mistakes" message actually results in any learning or just "full steam ahead" again next time round?

    It is weird though that Trump's policies would result in this outcome when that is also the analysis of the Labour policies in that now we are forecast a short term higher growth followed by then reduced growth after that? In that they went for policies that would give an immediate (although fake) boost to growth that will then result in lower future growth.
     
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    Blair/Brown first 2 years resulted in 2000/1 being a surplus when they followed Tory spending policies for those first 2 years during what was the mid to late nineties boom..........however this was aided by a lot of "spending" not being actually "borrowed" money by government and instead utilising PFI (buy now pay later credit) to pay for that spending which we all now know the end results of.
     
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    I also find it really funny how the ghouls from the Dems (also the EU/Globalists) didn’t mind Twitter’s ‘influence’ when Trump was banned from Twitter and they had complete control of the narrative. Now they’re moaning about free speech because the truth is getting out.

    Kamala had 99% of corporate media on her side.

    Trump had Fox, Elon, and a few podcasts.

    And they still got absolutely hammered because the truth hurts them. They’ve done a ridiculously bad job for the last 4 years.
     
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    They are quite happy with the tech when they can control things. Once they are not in control of it then they start pushing for censorship. Same with facebook. They were happy with what facebook were doing with data mining when Obama was utilising it. But then we saw how "disgusted" they were with data mining when "the other side" utilised the very same methods and results didn't go their way.

    The whole furore over Musk is not about what is essentially just him allowing free speech at all. It is because he isn't bowing down to their demands for censorship of things that they don't like or that endanger their dreams of forever power of the status quo. We've moved on from the Blair/Brown model of cosying up to print media and controlling the narrative that way to them thinking they should be able to do the same with internet social media which is a much more global thing and they have no chance other than state censorship.........which they seem quite happy to push for despite their constant criticism of countries like China or Russia doing exactly that.


    Until these "progressives" wake up to the fact that to progress you need to take the people with you and do their jobs of representing the plebiscite and that they are not oracles that must tell the populace what to do (as in authoritarians) then we are gonna continue this trajectory downward allowing the increasingly worst of the worst to worm their way into the argument.

    We have made a huge amount of progress on many many issues over the past decades and even now we have made progress on societal issues since the days of the 70s/80s. huge progress however that has all come while in the background they shafted us all on the economy side of things. As always with this modern Neo Lib lot that came from the early nineties onward they use societal issues and "solutions" to blindside us of this big corp takeover.

    Centrism globalism should be called out for what it is. They are utilising societal progress (a good thing) while at the same time driving the public money up the tree to the rich (bad right wing thing.)

    What the western world calls "left wing" is a deceitful notion of playing games with the charade of "making things better for people while they rob you blind as we all celebrate the societal progress.

    And while that may lead to people saying why we should've voted Corbyn (I would probably have supported that tbh) at the end of the day Corbyn in the UK system would have been reeled in like Johnson in the Tories and stopped early on by the centrists. which is quite funny because Johnson was pretty much a centrist himself.

    Centrism needs to die. Centre politics is fine. Governing from the centre is fine. Fakers calling themselves Centrists should send the shivers down anyone's spine because they are the ones that smile, tell you nice things, but then steal everything you have.
     
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    So the EU want social media platforms not to:

    promote crime, like child pornography

    promote hate speech, such as racism, anti-semitism

    to deal with people blatantly lying about issues that may cost lives.

    That is what the EU regulations are requiring. Which one of those do you want the freedom to do, exactly?
     
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    You poor, naive soul
     
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    Mate, it is law. Go look at the statute and stop believing the lies.

    You are on a site right now that also bans hate speech. Say something hateful and get banned (again). Why don’t you leave as your rights are being restricted?
     
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    You’re incredibly thick dude. Spectacularly so.

    There’s a huge difference between censoring and shadow banning accounts to force political narratives to hundreds of millions of people, and a couple of people chatting on a forum.

    The EU and their ghoulish friends are using “hate speech” as a way to control discourse.

    I already know your reply will be “no they aren’t”; however there IS irrevocable proof. You’re just a Luddite that refuses to accept the truth.
     
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