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I know, but it’s more to illustrate a point.
I’m just trying to find articles which sum up my thinking, but written by more knowledgeable people
It’s showing what I believe with all my heart: that nations have a duty to work together with a spirit of cooperation to solve issues across the world. Despite the current problems, I think we should persevere.
Capitalism will always cause problems, as companies seek to profit at the expense of others. It’s up to countries and organisations like the EU to protect the lower classes. I firmly believe that this would be much easier working with as many nations as possible.
I completely agree. To control international Business you need international cooperation. And in order to have that cooperation you need mutually agreed rules and governance. Rather than abandoning that we should be working to fix it, to improve it.I know, but it’s more to illustrate a point.
I’m just trying to find articles which sum up my thinking, but written by more knowledgeable people
It’s showing what I believe with all my heart: that nations have a duty to work together with a spirit of cooperation to solve issues across the world. Despite the current problems, I think we should persevere.
Capitalism will always cause problems, as companies seek to profit at the expense of others. It’s up to countries and organisations like the EU to protect the lower classes. I firmly believe that this would be much easier working with as many nations as possible.
Also i just want to quote that article because ive said this a few times as a major reason i think we should be investing in smaller members of the EU, and therefore receiving less EU money than we put in (basically whenever someone brings up our lower share):
"First, note that imports are highly sensitive to domestic GDP. When the latter rises, imports rise; and when it falls, imports fall (witness the dramatic improvement in the U.S. trade balance after the Financial Crisis–people without jobs don’t import a great deal!). Meanwhile, your exports are heavily dependent on your trading partners’ economic growth. So, generally speaking:
If you grow faster than your trading partners, your imports will rise faster than your exports.
From their entry into the EU and up to the point of the crisis, Greece had grown roughly three times as fast as Germany. Not surprisingly, their imports outpaced Germany’s at almost the same rate."
Invest in smaller countries, they grow faster and then they can buy our exports and increase our economy.
"First, note that imports are highly sensitive to domestic GDP. When the latter rises, imports rise; and when it falls, imports fall (witness the dramatic improvement in the U.S. trade balance after the Financial Crisis–people without jobs don’t import a great deal!). Meanwhile, your exports are heavily dependent on your trading partners’ economic growth. So, generally speaking:
If you grow faster than your trading partners, your imports will rise faster than your exports.
From their entry into the EU and up to the point of the crisis, Greece had grown roughly three times as fast as Germany. Not surprisingly, their imports outpaced Germany’s at almost the same rate."
Invest in smaller countries, they grow faster and then they can buy our exports and increase our economy.
Ok then, that clears that up.
Hardly fills me with confidence that Brexit will be good for us when the biggest champion for leaving I’ve encountered, can’t tell me anything will be better.
I haven't read it all yet so am maybe jumping to conclusions but so far (Got to the Greece importing 3 x Germany and growing 3x Germany part) it sounds like it is going to be either another "Its the Euro that's the problem" piece OR a push piece for why federalisation would be a good thing........namely that 1 eurozone country would not have these problems that 19 separate countries using the euro would have.
I will keep on reading but that's how it looks so far. Not saying anything new to me.
This is a joke surely. I have no problem with investing in smaller countries but what are we investing to achieve? All we do to smaller countries is strip them of their talent and potential. Here's some cash for all the talent we've pinched from you and thus you keep training up your folks and we'll have some more in a few years. Your training is cheaper than ours.
How can smaller countries do better if they lose their talent constantly? The answer is they can't and all those that push these policies know that. they have no intention of making other countries better, merely making sure they can keep smaller countries where they are.
No-one can say whether we will be better or worse because we have a sh** shower of politicians above us talking the meaningless talk. All leaving the EU does is remove one lot of that BS about how it is "all for us" at which point in this modern era hopefully internal politics can change to a point that the public can actually get politicians to do their jobs instead of spieling for the globals.
Well it would stop this for one.
No it wouldn't. We continually hear about investment in countries but all we ever do is pull their skills out to help fill our gaps. How ill it ever stop this? Leaving them the odd one so they can slowly maintain the gap yet still always be that ratio behind?
If we (or any other major country) put money into smaller countries it is for one reason. Us getting our foot in there and us making the money. and while we're at it we'll have your trained nurses and engineers as well.
If they have an economy on a closer level they will have education and industry on a similar level. It's common sense. Honestly
Edit: And Greece having increased 3 x faster than Germany is keeping the ratio the same?
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OK I've read it. I agree almost entirely with it. Not sure how this counters why we shouldn't leave the EU though. It is a piece that seems to admit that the EU doesn't want to change anything yet says we should continue in there because "peace man."
The reason we need to leave the EU is precisely because it refuses to change. Ironically the Labour and Tory remain obsessed folks have got this week right despite their 3 years+ of "we should stay in the club and reform it from within."
They have decided (if you believe the words) that their parties would not change and thus they have left.
You can;t reform something from within that refuses to reform. And that article quite openly talks about not being in certain parties interests to change.
If they have an economy on a closer level they will have education and industry on a similar level. It's common sense. Honestly
That quite simply is not true. It is just more empire building and colonisation. " we will bring civilisation to your shores."
Straight after reading that article, from someone who talks about "foreigner hating Little englanders" you come up with a suggestion that the article says leads that smaller country to buy more from us and thus take on more debt?
On another angle. Do you think the US policies about to come in (tariffs on EU exported autos) are also to do with the auto industry rapidly making decisions in the EU?
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You have a vivid imagination.
But the amount emerging markets have grown compared to developing coutries including Greece doesn't back you up i'm afraid. The ratio hasn't stayed the same at all. Once again you're just scare mongering.
They don't need to resign their respective party whips though, in order to vote with their consciences. My own Labour MP has voted against the party line on Brexit, and made no secret of her support for a people's vote.
I don't think these individuals are putting the country's interests first at all. And the hundreds of humble party activists who delivered leaflets and knocked on doors trying to get them elected probably don't think so either.
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On your edit ive never said anything like your little englander comment.
But if you read and understand the article it says the opposite of what you just said. The EU has improved their economy. It's the inability to adjust the euro that is forcing growth to be slower that it could be and exacerbating other economic issues. Something that would be reduced by EU investment, not made worse.
Edit: and the auto industry is rapidly making decisions everywhere. It's going through a tough period and everyone's trying to adapt.
But if you read and understand the article it says the opposite of what you just said. The EU has improved their economy. It's the inability to adjust the euro that is forcing growth to be slower that it could be and exacerbating other economic issues. Something that would be reduced by EU investment, not made worse.
Edit: and the auto industry is rapidly making decisions everywhere. It's going through a tough period and everyone's trying to adapt.
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I apologise if you have never said anything like that.
The second part you are right in what the article says but the Euro is there to stay. Are you suggesting we stay in the EU and should be investing in non euro EU countries only so that we don't cause that problem to their debt levels? Are there any? There won't be anymore seeing as the Euro is a condition.
We agree on the last one, but it must be in their thinking as well. The EU is a target for Trump. One way traffic. The EU doesn't buy many US motors.
Britain loses three of four cases taken to European Court of Justice ...
https://www.express.co.uk › News › UK 2 Mar 2016 - More proof of meddling: Britain has lost 'more than 75 PER CENT' of EU court cases. BRITAIN has lost more than three quarters of the cases the Government has fought in the European Union's court, new figures revealed last night. ... Research by the Vote Leave referendum campaign group ........
Just one I could be bothered to find...........