Is that a fact Rafa.
Same old cbrad, picking things up the wrong way and trying to be a smart arse.
Some things never change.
Is that a fact Rafa.
To put it another way:
West Brom are currently in 8th with 48 points, to get to 5th place they would have needed 21 more points. They would drop to 17th with only 9 fewer points.
For the clubs in the 8th-17th bracket, it is clearly harder to progress to the top 5, than to have an off season and finish 17th.
I agree that we're only a few minor tweaks from being a decent side and looking to break back into the top 7. All of the main problems started after the derby imo. The mackems were always going to do well because they had a new passionate manager to shake things up. That result sapped all our confidence and turned the fans against the manager at exactly the wrong time.
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You do have a great point regarding the small difference from 8th to 17th. But I think the Sunderland result was the straw that broke the donkey's back after plenty terrible results and some dreadful football, we were top of the long ball table ahead of Stoke and West Ham etc the whole debacle is unacceptable.
Welcome to the forum buddy.
To put it another way:
West Brom are currently in 8th with 48 points, to get to 5th place they would have needed 21 more points. They would drop to 17th with only 9 fewer points.
For the clubs in the 8th-17th bracket, it is clearly harder to progress to the top 5, than to have an off season and finish 17th.
I agree that we're only a few minor tweaks from being a decent side and looking to break back into the top 7. All of the main problems started after the derby imo. The mackems were always going to do well because they had a new passionate manager to shake things up. That result sapped all our confidence and turned the fans against the manager at exactly the wrong time.
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You're definitely right that things were building up before the derby, although there was that brief spell after the January signings where things looked a bit better.
Apart from last season, I don't remember the last time we played good football, probably under Robson (how depressing!). For that reason, I wouldn't mind pardew staying, but I wouldn't be surprised if he goes. A lot of people are against him now and they're not going to change their minds.
Thanks for the welcomes!
For me Pardew has lost the fans which makes his position intenable.
We're a tolerant bunch and backed him for the bulk of the season.
All we wanted to see was progress.
There's nowt wrong with losing... as long as you learn from it.
Unfortunately Pardew's love affair with Jonas and other out of form players hampered our development this season and he showed that he isn't capable of leaarning.
If Pardew stays I back the team.
If Pardew goes I back the team.
Wasn't really the Sunderland game that did it for me, yeah it was a pitiful performance but it was proceeded by possibly our best performance of the season and we lost heavily basically because of the effort we put in to the Benfica game.
It was the childish press conference aiming digs about Sunderland only dreaming of Europe, followed by the horrible performance against Liverpool and then Pardew claiming a point and an ok 45 minute performance at WBA was a great reaction by the team.
He has lost the plot big time. Can only hope this radio interview has been cancelled because he won't be here much longer.
To put it another way:
West Brom are currently in 8th with 48 points, to get to 5th place they would have needed 21 more points. They would drop to 17th with only 9 fewer points.
For the clubs in the 8th-17th bracket, it is clearly harder to progress to the top 5, than to have an off season and finish 17th.
I agree that we're only a few minor tweaks from being a decent side and looking to break back into the top 7. All of the main problems started after the derby imo. The mackems were always going to do well because they had a new passionate manager to shake things up. That result sapped all our confidence and turned the fans against the manager at exactly the wrong time.
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Good to see you posting.
Are you in Cali?
Hey Cali.... here's 1,000,000 points to get you started mate!
I have said for a while I think he is gone. Regardless of my thoughts on whether he deserves to go, it may well be for the best. I don't think he can win some fans back regardless what he does. We could get back to playing good football again and hang around outside the top boys, but it isn't going to be enough. Therefore you have to consider if it is worth backing him as an owner whether you think he is the right man or not. If the club is not united, it will not progress. This looks to be a case of him on his way. I know its only a radio show but it looks ominous to me.
Like ACS I will back him whoever is in charge come the first day of next season whether I think its the right decision or appointment. Just what we do as far as I'm concerned.
I do hope its longer term plan though. I'm not a big believer that owners should pander to what fans want. Many know very little about what makes a top football manager (for all they are passionate about their club) and you get such a wide range of opinions that you can't please everybody. Our fans whether we like or not have regularly called for the heads of our managers. Mainly because they have been poor selections of course but sometimes through a lack of patience too. The fans aren't going to change so we need strong leadership from board level. They have to make a selection and be willing to back their guy through good times or bad. Even the best have tough times. If we pick the right guy like we did when we asked Robson, they have to have more than Fat Fred had about him. He pulled the trigger because a minority of fans decided to kick up a fuss at slow start, buying into their worries. I just want this club to have some genuine stability or we will yo yo up and down the league forever and a day never reaching our full potential and having the odd flirt with relegation.
Everything is here to be like Everton, who after years of stability after seeing off the rocky periods, are now a top 8 club year on year. Can we match the big guns? Not with our current set up/budgets etc but we can have the odd flirt with rocking their boats.
Poyet has been mentioned a few times as a desired target. However, this just flashed up on the top of the BBC site. No idea what's behind it.
FOOTBALL:
Brighton and Hove Albion suspend manager Gus Poyet and his assistant, pending an inquiry