OSC Poll Result

Allam can claim the moon is made of green cheese, the problem he has, is will anyone believe him, or care what he thinks

 

Is there something official that catagorically states that?

The tribunal comment was:

"The club remains able to pursue a playing name change for the season 2015/16. In the event that the club wishes to do so, the request will be considered by The FA Membership Committee in accordance with the relevant policy and then by The FA Council in accordance with FA Rule A3(l)."

Rule A3 (l)
A Club competing in any one of The Premier League, The Football League, The
Football Conference, the Southern Football League, the Isthmian League and the
Northern Premier League shall not be permitted to change its playing name (i.e.
the name under which the Club competes in a Competition), as recorded on Form
“A”, save with the prior written permission of Council.
Any application for a change of playing name must be received by The Association
before 1st April in any calendar year in order for it to be considered by Council for
adoption in the following playing season. Council will use its absolute discretion in
deciding whether to approve a change in a Club’s playing name.

As that announcement was made after the 1st of April, has he effectively got his application in, subject to adding more information before the 1st of July cut off? Or has he got a year to do it?

 

Only one person is causing discontent & division among the fans, that's Allam

You say the votes from these groups will have no influence but the issue here is that since the owner refused a ballot of the "irrelevant" fans the FA asked for other representative supporter groups for their submissions. I would therefore suggest that as the OSC & HCST were two of the groups asked that their views will influence any decision

 

I would suggest after the application has been received that part of the consideration will be the review of evidence & seeking additional information in support or opposition to the request. This would form part of the consultation period before a decision being made. The views of interested parties including other clubs, other FA's & interested fan groups will be included in that consultation period. I cannot believe that the Allams would now have time (even if they changed their minds) to have a ballot & get the results before the FA panel make their recommendation to the the full FA Council

 

I know I probably come over as pro-Allam, but in my view, there's a risk in not trying to see this from other angles. Those voting will be looking at it, partly from their own self interest, and with possibly only a passing knowledge of events.

For some, any influence from these polls, will be weighted by the percentage of the fan base involved, especially as one is primarily a protest group set up to oppose the name change.

 

I agree, and that's possibly the argument the Allams will use, and then refer to the uptake on the group votes. They could claim it falls at a time when pass renewals are in progress, so a comprehensive list of 'existing' pass holders is not strictly possible.

 

I would normally agree however the complete refusal of the Allams to carry out a ballot of passholders per the FA request means that they can only guage fan feelings through the views of these small groups. It seems likely that the FA will consider the refusal as being a negative in the case as if the Allams felt the vote would go in their favour then not submitting it as pro name change would seem a little stupid.....instead it would suggest to the FA that the Allams were worried any ballot would be negative

 

But the application was put in before renewals & the FA will say it should be a ballot of existing passholders.....a simple single database file

 

But by July, there would be a different set of 'existing' pass holders. He couldn't get the poll in for the April deadline, as the verdict came after it.

Edit. Just double checked, and the date on the FA site implied their statement was April 9th, but it looks like the verdict was earlier.

 

They were made aware at the last application that a ballot of passholders would need to form an integral part of any new application, the Allams knew they would be reapplying & I'm sure the FA will make it clear that following last years failure a ballot should have been carried out & submitted as evidence as part of the new application. I do not believe they will accept the renewal times etc as a reason for not balloting passholders

I suppose they could be arrogant enough to say that as renewals have not yet been processed there are no 2015/2016 passholders to ballot

 

I would expect you're right.

It still leaves the same arguments, valid or not, open for the Allams to keep dragging this on, just as they have this year despite it being rejected.

I just feel it's worth looking at it from several directions to try to nail the lid firmly shut.

 

The way the Allams spin things, whatever the FA say, unless they actually state upon refusal that no further applications will be considered then they will keep trying

 

Since when have you ever used that ? In saying that you cannot use what you have never had.

 

Can the HCST publish those few voters who voted yes in their poll?

You should. Names, addresses...

 

I think that would be illegal on so many levels .....

 

I believe each faction will represent their figures as their general beliefs interpret them; it is up to the FA to accept them as support information (that they asked for) and for the FA to exercise their own intelligence in relating that information to all of the other information that they have, old and current. Their summary on the previous application would be highly suspect if it changed so much in such a short time - the scale of the votes is a total red-herring.

I too, expect you would be right.

The Allam's might use every little detail they can find to keep dragging this on, like, for instance, supporter bought banners that continue their de(re)-branding of the club name by not including that name themselves. Why (Allam could say) is the name so important to the supporters, they do not use it, see, look at their banners?

As I said once or twice before, I agree with you as 'I just feel it's worth looking at it from several directions to try to nail the lid firmly shut.'

 

Allam is dragging this on so as to wear people down. It is working where we sit, a man and his grown up son booed loudly to the anti name change chant and then joined in the City Till I Die chant. Obviously some supporters are confused.