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I had the option to vote in this 'referendum' but chose not to.

There has been no debate about the issue (only after the vote did the media show any interest) and I would like to know more about the positive and negative outcomes
of a wider Hull before forming an opinion.

Local politics been as it is I don't hold out much hope for a balanced argument...
 
originallambrettaman said:
I'm not sure how big you think the expanded Hull would be, but currently HCC breaks down as follows:

Labour Group 39
Liberal Democrat Group 15
Hull Independent Group 2
Conservative Group 2
UK Independence Party 1

They've need a bloody big area to oust that lot and I'm afraid the non-voters of OPE will continue to put the likes of Geraghty in office.
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I'm guessing they would provide 2-3 councillors each. There are twelve areas mentioned - so that would bring in 24-36 new councillors into HCC. The Labour Group only have a majority of 19 now, and a year away from a General Election during a Lib Dem/Tory coalition. I dare say right now if the councillors were merged as is, Labour might continue to hold a slender majority, but there are some very blue areas mentioned here.Even if there are a few Labour areas which join, if Labour were to win nationally here, I can see Hull being in NOC very quickly.

Also it changes the voting patterns too. Most people know you don't vote Tory unless you live in Bricknell, because they won't win - with 10/15 Tories straight onto the council, that might change a few minds, and actually make elections worth fighting.

As for Geraghty - he and his ilk would be done for. OPE can vote him in as much as they like - no one says he would have to be in a cabinet. If elections were actually contested, and were not simply protest votes following national elections, he'd be a thing of the past.
 
I think it's as well to wait and see what the recomendations from the Committee are and deciding from there on the actual issues.

It's a shame ERYC aren't willing to represent themselves in this. It could make the boundary discussion irelevent and still leave us with many regional benefits.
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
I think it's as well to wait and see what the recomendations from the Committee are and deciding from there on the actual issues.

It's a shame ERYC aren't willing to represent themselves in this. It could make the boundary discussion irelevent and still leave us with many regional benefits.
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Looking after councillors jobs in small parishes would be the answer to that. Turkey's voting for Christmas. One things certain if it's one authority- less councillors. This isn't all about protecting their identity and green belts.
 
BernsteinTiger said:
I'm guessing they would provide 2-3 councillors each. There are twelve areas mentioned - so that would bring in 24-36 new councillors into HCC. The Labour Group only have a majority of 19 now, and a year away from a General Election during a Lib Dem/Tory coalition. I dare say right now if the councillors were merged as is, Labour might continue to hold a slender majority, but there are some very blue areas mentioned here.Even if there are a few Labour areas which join, if Labour were to win nationally here, I can see Hull being in NOC very quickly.

Also it changes the voting patterns too. Most people know you don't vote Tory unless you live in Bricknell, because they won't win - with 10/15 Tories straight onto the council, that might change a few minds, and actually make elections worth fighting.

As for Geraghty - he and his ilk would be done for. OPE can vote him in as much as they like - no one says he would have to be in a cabinet. If elections were actually contested, and were not simply protest votes following national elections, he'd be a thing of the past.
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The twelve areas mentioned are Anlaby with Anlaby Common, Bilton, Cottingham, Elloughton cum Brough, Hedon, Hessle, Kirk Ella, North Ferriby, Preston, Swanland, Welton and Willerby. These are names of villages, not wards, so it's less than twelve wards(ie Willerby/Kirkella is one ward and I think South Hunsley covers several villages, but is only one ward and only has two Councillors), I suspect it's far less Councillors than you've suggested.
 
originallambrettaman said:
It would certainly be an easier job selling East Riding of Yorkshire Council to Hull residents, than it is selling Hull City Council to East Yorkshire ones.
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It certainly would. I feel that Hull as a city is disconnected from Yorkshire as a whole, and I would welcome a single council in East Yorkshire.
 
Cityswall said:
The nimby's have been out in force in E.Yorkshire looking at the vote results today.

Maybe HCC should start charging folks who have a HU postcode that is outside the HCC boundary for visits to the museum quarter etc, after all they don't want to be part of Hull so why should they receive the Benifits of being from Hull.
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No we dont want to be under HCC who simply dont have a clue. The latest HCC failure is the power boat weekend.
 
Err why would we want loads of East Riding ****ers to join us anyway? They are bad enough in West Stand. In fact they should probably vote no to coming to Hull City (that is HULL City) too.
 
originallambrettaman said:
The twelve areas mentioned are Anlaby with Anlaby Common, Bilton, Cottingham, Elloughton cum Brough, Hedon, Hessle, Kirk Ella, North Ferriby, Preston, Swanland, Welton and Willerby. These are names of villages, not wards, so it's less than twelve wards(ie Willerby/Kirkella is one ward and I think South Hunsley covers several villages, but is only one ward and only has two Councillors), I suspect it's far less Councillors than you've suggested.
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I think 24 is far more likely than 36, but I can't see it being far from that - Wards like Tranby with Anlaby and Anlaby Common would just join with their two Councillors. Others will be more complicated, such as Bilton, which I think is currently part of Mid-Holderness, but the whole ward wouldn't join. So either they would join as a new ward, or would merge with an existing ward, the trouble is Marfleet or Longhill are huge, so I can't see how Bilton could just be merged. Then you go onto places like Cottingham, which comes with two separate wards. I really can't see how they could fit the representation in which much less than 24 councillors.

But even if that number is inflated, 24 would be more than enough to cause problems. Labour has tidied up on the City council for the last three years. We're at a highpoint in their support locally. That won't last - certainly not if Charisma Milliband wins the general next year. With even only 10 more seats on the council (and I'll be stunned if it's not more than that), Labour will risk losing overall control of the council.


Patches O'Houlihan said:
It certainly would. I feel that Hull as a city is disconnected from Yorkshire as a whole, and I would welcome a single council in East Yorkshire.
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That would be my preferred option. I don't care how - but we need to stop people using statistics to put the boot into the whole region. It doesn't matter how it's sorted, but it needs sorting together.

Though I am pretty sure, if that idea was even muted, Parnaby would have another referendum called within days to stop it dead. He would not want 57 currently non-tory councillors turning up in Beverley. Like I've said before, he's been on his throne there since 1996, and will not want that risking for anything.
 
Carmine Galante.:7134514 said:
I'm seriously thinking of moving to North Yorkshire.

Proper Yorkshire and not so many serfs as these parts.
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Your welcome to move to the peaceful seaside town of Filey , North Yorkshire .

It sure is a quite life here with lots of golden sand
on one side and lovely countryside on the other .

:-)
 
I can remember times it wasn't so quiet. Especially when the Muston lads hit town. Mind you that was back in the 60s.
 
If it's got to the stage to mindless name calling, it's probably time to close the thread.

You massive ****.

Takes one to know one.


FFS.


Par for the course these days I suppose.
 
You're a massive **** too, Appice. So is your wife. And your garden.

In fact, this whole thread is a massive ****.
 
Polly13 said:
You're a massive **** too, Appice. So is your wife. And your garden.

In fact, this whole thread is a massive ****.
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Your congregation would be bigger if your sermons were like your posts Reverend Father,
 
I think the whole thing has been a bit pointless. The referendum should have been put out to vote AFTER the independent commission had been completed, so people could weigh up the pros and cons of a 'Greater Hull'.

I listen to Radio Humberside on the way to work for the traffic updates, so I have heard a lot of the various debates about the boundary issue.

I get what Hull City Council are saying in that a 'Greater Hull' would have a bigger, stronger and more meaningful say in country-wide matters and have a bigger pull when it comes to infrastructure funding.
Hull is seen as a lot smaller place than it actually is, and isn't seen as an 'economic powerhouse', which results in the city almost having to beg for development funding currently. A 'Greater Hull' puts the city on a par with other cities which currently have a stronger say in matters.

A good example is the recent high-speed rail announcement with a link up between Northern cities to link the North, West-to-East, was detailed as between Liverpool to Sheffield and Newcastle.

I can see why East Riding residents might not want HCC to take them over, but surprisingly the main point people were putting forward to Radio Humberside was that:
They live in the countryside and don't want to live in the city.... Really?!! Erm, did Harrogate or Wetherby change when they were swallowed up by Leeds, or did they retain their own independent character?

It seems a lot of the voters chose 'NO', not because of HCC, but because of 'status' - complete and utter Hyacinth Bucket-ism!
Lots of old people fearful of change that aren't even bothered about listening to whether a Greater Hull would be better for the region or not, not bothered whether it would bring more jobs to the area, etc. It's the 'I'm alright Jack' brigade, not thinking about future generations, only themselves.

"Sod the greater good, I'm East Riding til I die - even if I am ironically spouting my view from a HU post code. I love being in the countryside, I'm not a city dweller! I love living country life in my new build semi-detached house down a cul-de-sac in Anlaby village, with it's Asda, Argos and Next like all other good villages have".
 
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