Yeah but you can ask a hundred people what they think about their local council and you'll get a hundred responses similar to yours. Have you ever actually met someone who genuinely thinks their council are great?
No surprise.
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I'm seriously thinking of moving to North Yorkshire.
Proper Yorkshire and not so many serfs as these parts.
Proper Yorkshire and not so many serfs as these parts.
There is no doubt that the boundary change would benefit the profile of the city of Hull and in turn probably the East Riding too, along with making it comparable to the boundaries used by most other cities, but it does cause issues for those directly affected and that doesn't make them all nimbys and I doubt bin collection were all that high up their list of concerns.
There are 152 education authorities, the East Riding schools are currently ranked 71st, Hull school are ranked 145th and that's despite their numbers being bumped by places like Hymers who have a 99-100% pass rate. If you take South Hunsley, which is the biggest school in Hull and the East Riding, and add it to Hull then obviously Hull's figures jump, as the school has an 80% pass rate(the average in Hull is 50%), so Hull jumps up the league table to maybe 120th. For those affected though, their school just dropped off the list of schools ranked 71st and onto the one ranked 120th, you can see why they'd vote against it.
The same applies to the house price index, where again Hull is at the bottom of the all the league tables. Average house prices in Anlaby and Cottingham etc are 50% higher than the house prices in Hull, so if you put them together, then Hull moves off the bottom on the league table, but residents of the areas affected move from being in an are with £150k average house prices, to an area with £120k average house prices. Obviously the house prices don't actually drop, but you can see why residents of those areas areas would rather be associated with the more affluent areas, rather than having a perceived drop down the league tables for them.
Then there's the issue of the councils themselves, HCC have a terrible reputation and ERYCC have a good one, the difference probably isn't as big as is perceived, but there's certainly areas where one does much better than the other. I know some have stood up for HCC on here, but the reality is that this board is full of threads on how useless HCC are, yet I'm not sure we've ever had an ERYCC one? Even on basic things like protecting buildings(one of my particular bugbears) and the general upkeep of facilities, town centres etc, the ERYCC is way out in front.
The issue is convincing people that the area as a whole will benefit from the boundary changes and simply calling people nimby's isn't going to help, they have genuine concerns that need to be addressed and they haven't been. ERYCC have run a campaign to get people to vote against this change, has HCC run any campaign to show the benefits of it? If they have, I've missed it.
The most ridiculous thing posted on this thread so far, is the suggestion that East Yorkshire residents should be changed to use facilities in Hull, when obviously the opposite is true. Hull needs as many visitors as it can get, be them from East Yorkshire or anywhere else, rather than doing things that put people off coming to Hull, they need to be doing everything possible to attract more of them. Hull already suffers from very poor shopping facilities, Leeds and York offer far better and it's in the best interest of everyone in Hull and the East Riding that the facilities are improved and as many people as possible are attracted there.
I can see almost no attempt by anyone to positively spin this and explain the benefits to anyone, while that remains the case I expect another 'Hands off Haltemprice' type campaign to run and the whole thing to be deeply resented.
There are 152 education authorities, the East Riding schools are currently ranked 71st, Hull school are ranked 145th and that's despite their numbers being bumped by places like Hymers who have a 99-100% pass rate. If you take South Hunsley, which is the biggest school in Hull and the East Riding, and add it to Hull then obviously Hull's figures jump, as the school has an 80% pass rate(the average in Hull is 50%), so Hull jumps up the league table to maybe 120th. For those affected though, their school just dropped off the list of schools ranked 71st and onto the one ranked 120th, you can see why they'd vote against it.
The same applies to the house price index, where again Hull is at the bottom of the all the league tables. Average house prices in Anlaby and Cottingham etc are 50% higher than the house prices in Hull, so if you put them together, then Hull moves off the bottom on the league table, but residents of the areas affected move from being in an are with £150k average house prices, to an area with £120k average house prices. Obviously the house prices don't actually drop, but you can see why residents of those areas areas would rather be associated with the more affluent areas, rather than having a perceived drop down the league tables for them.
Then there's the issue of the councils themselves, HCC have a terrible reputation and ERYCC have a good one, the difference probably isn't as big as is perceived, but there's certainly areas where one does much better than the other. I know some have stood up for HCC on here, but the reality is that this board is full of threads on how useless HCC are, yet I'm not sure we've ever had an ERYCC one? Even on basic things like protecting buildings(one of my particular bugbears) and the general upkeep of facilities, town centres etc, the ERYCC is way out in front.
The issue is convincing people that the area as a whole will benefit from the boundary changes and simply calling people nimby's isn't going to help, they have genuine concerns that need to be addressed and they haven't been. ERYCC have run a campaign to get people to vote against this change, has HCC run any campaign to show the benefits of it? If they have, I've missed it.
The most ridiculous thing posted on this thread so far, is the suggestion that East Yorkshire residents should be changed to use facilities in Hull, when obviously the opposite is true. Hull needs as many visitors as it can get, be them from East Yorkshire or anywhere else, rather than doing things that put people off coming to Hull, they need to be doing everything possible to attract more of them. Hull already suffers from very poor shopping facilities, Leeds and York offer far better and it's in the best interest of everyone in Hull and the East Riding that the facilities are improved and as many people as possible are attracted there.
I can see almost no attempt by anyone to positively spin this and explain the benefits to anyone, while that remains the case I expect another 'Hands off Haltemprice' type campaign to run and the whole thing to be deeply resented.
Yes as it would mean Hull and the surounding areas are one and the same.
I pay for it so I can use it. Folks in the ERYC area pay **** all which wouldn't be a problem but they have just given HCC the finger purely on elitism grounds.
You mean folks inside the HCC boundry obviously. Those in the ERYC have been made their feeling clear that they don't think they are in Hull.
I have had conversations with many people on this matter and almost to a person when I mentioned them being part of Hull they stuck their noses in the air and informed me they are nothing to do with Hull. It's hard NOT to take that personally.
So the folks from Hull have no say then?
Sounds about right as we can't have the common people having a say now can we.
It's got nothing to do with being common, Hull can only benefit from any boundary change, as it would stop them being bottom of every performance league table, so they don't need to be consulted, everyone knows they're all in favour already. If Hull wasn't currently bottom of every performance league table, they might have a rather easier job of getting people on board with this, people need to be convinced that things will move up, rather than them being dragged down.
Would that be at the ground that was paid for by HCC's windfall (Not ERYC's windfall you will notice).
I do find the fact you bring up London as rather comical seeing as they have annexed **** knows how many smaller villages to make it the powerhouse it is.
ER snobs can't see past any of this however.
What a mong, I'd suggest a trip down the doctors to enquire about having that massive chip on you shoulder removed.
I reckon the boundary commission would still do some work to check what people in Hull think. It would also depend very much on what the recomendations from the Committee turn out to be.
Hull telephones or KC have had a presence in the ER for decades, all the surrounding villages have had Hull numbers so has Beverley, I've had one for the last 20 years I've lived in the ER so stop talking bollocks .
And since when has the commuter belt around London been part of London
The only chip I have is with elitist arseholes who think they are above others just because of where they live.
The fact the elitist idiots can't see is that tight boundry's of Hull causes the problems when most other cities include their suburbs.
Remove that issue and 2 things happen.
1 HCC jumps away from the bottom of most tables.
2 The old Labour lot would be wiped out due to the fact that the ER councilors/population would change the political landscape in HCC.
I have no idea what criteria the boundary commission will use to make their decision, but I suspect they'll take it as a given that the residents of Hull would like this to happen, frankly, you'd have to mental not to.
Remind me who go the windfall again bearing in mind it's called KINGSTON communications?
Why do so many commute to London? Could it possibly be because it is so large and if so would it be so large if it had been stopped annexing smaller villages due to elitism?
Perhaps, but they couldn't take it as a given, they need to make an evidence based decision. It could be that it's not as straight forward as just shifting the boundary.
I was of the understanding that HCC have set up a commission to look at everything from moving the boundaries, to merging some services with ERYCC(which they oppose), to only having one council covering the whole of the East Riding, but that Boundary Commission will only look specifically at the issue of where the boundaries are drawn, though I could be wrong.
They've got Tom Martin chairing the HCC commission, at least he's a decent and clued up bloke.
First post on here, as someone who lives in the east riding but originally from Hull. It would benefit the full area of East Yorkshire to be under one authority. You only have to look at the rail link we are now missing out on across the Pennines, which is bypassing us and going to Newcastle. East riding councillors seem to be trying to protect their jobs here, as they never mention the one authority idea it`s all about a Hull take over. We would be eligible for a lot more grants and be open to more investment as one authority.
And just to follow up. There is a snobby attitude to a lot of East riding residents. They don`t want to be know as part of Hull because of the press it gets, believe me. They openly say to you just that. They would probably be ok with it being one council called East Yorkshire but not being part of Hull. Half of them don`t even class Hull as being part of East Yorkshire which it obviously is. These are just councils after all not county`s.
And just to follow up. There is a snobby attitude to a lot of East riding residents. They don`t want to be know as part of Hull because of the press it gets, believe me. They openly say to you just that. They would probably be ok with it being one council called East Yorkshire but not being part of Hull. Half of them don`t even class Hull as being part of East Yorkshire which it obviously is. These are just councils after all not county`s.
& how does that help the residents of the East Riding?
Do you think they should drag themselves down the tables so HCC can move up them slightly?
When you've created your hand picked utopia what thought do you give to the remaining ERYC residents.
But that doesn't solve anything, it just changes the position on an arbitrary league table.
All the problems with education, crime, unemployment...etc will still exist your just sweeping it under the carpet by adding in the statistics from another area.
I'm not sure how big you think the expanded Hull would be, but currently HCC breaks down as follows:
Labour Group 39
Liberal Democrat Group 15
Hull Independent Group 2
Conservative Group 2
UK Independence Party 1
They've need a bloody big area to oust that lot and I'm afraid the non-voters of OPE will continue to put the likes of Geraghty in office.
It would certainly be an easier job selling East Riding of Yorkshire Council to Hull residents, than it is selling Hull City Council to East Yorkshire ones.