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It would be very undemocratic if they went against the wishes of people from the East Riding. Why are you in favour of HCC extending its influence in places it's not wanted?
If truth be told, I'm not completely in favour. For me, the Hull boundary should be extended outwards to take in the true suburbs of Cottingham, Willerby, Anlaby, Kirk Ella and Hessle.
 
So if they find things are best left as they are there will be no vote, that's plainly obvious.

If they decide a boundary change is possibly a goer and they need to ask the residents of the East Riding what they think I dare say the question asked will be pretty similar to that one asked on the recent vote.

So how is it the wrong question?

Do you want to come under HCC Yes or No?

I maybe missing something but it's a fairly straight forward issue with a fairly straight forward question.

It could be anyone of a number of recomendations, and the views of all affected would need to vote on the specific question, not two general questions.
 
I love how people brand "How **** HCC is". Everyone of those wards would bring their own councillors in to HCC. Even now, at a highpoint of Tory/Lib Dem unpopularity though the coalition, the vast majority of those seats would return tories or lib dems. Labour's grip on HCC would be very weak. More often than not, the council would be in NOC, and the councillors would actually have to work for their money, because a few lost seats could mean they were out. Dinosaurs like Terry Geraghty would be a thing of the past.

East Riding council is no better. Stick a blue rosette on it, and it has a place on the ER cabinet. Parnaby has been on that gravy train as council leader since 1996. 18 years with one man in charge? That's not healthy. He moved like **** off a shiny shovel to get this referendum in, because he wanted to make sure he didn't lose all those blue wards keeping him stable in Beverley. That second question didn't need asking. That was NIMBY bait, pure and simple.

For my opinion - I think there are alternatives to shifting the boundaries - but it would require the entire country to measure statistics differently. Other cities are measured including the suburbs - those judgements affect inward investment. Hull is measured with no suburbs. That is really the only issue, and that elephant in the room affects both Hull and the ER. If boundaries aren't to be changed - then something else has to be. We can't continue having the region treat like a ****hole, when in actual fact, we as a region hold our own against other conurbations.
Been saying this for years. Hull should have its suburbs, like most other cities do.
 
If truth be told, I'm not completely in favour. For me, the Hull boundary should be extended outwards to take in the true suburbs of Cottingham, Willerby, Anlaby, Kirk Ella and Hessle.

I reckon ER rate payers should be more concerned that they're not getting representation in the review.
 
If truth be told, I'm not completely in favour. For me, the Hull boundary should be extended outwards to take in the true suburbs of Cottingham, Willerby, Anlaby, Kirk Ella and Hessle.

That's a fair assessment, but the views of people living in those suburbs should be taken into consideration.
 
Reading this thread, and chatting to family, it seems to me the real obstacle isn't being part of Hull, its coming under the control of HCC. Hardly surprising given the current incumbents of that authority.

You could say that the ER residents want no more to do with HCC than Dr Allam in fact.
 
It's only snobbery. Hull ? Ooh no. we're better than they are.We're successful.

And that won't ever change.

I do dislike the snobbery by some ER residents, and I've witnessed it at college a lot. The fact I'm from East Hull raises eyebrows and people end up asking me if it's really rough. Some of them are cheeky ****ers, but their voice should be heard if they want to remain under ERYC.
 
I do dislike the snobbery by some ER residents, and I've witnessed it at college a lot. The fact I'm from East Hull raises eyebrows and people end up asking me if it's really rough. Some of them are cheeky ****ers, but their voice should be heard if they want to remain under ERYC.

I've had people ask me where I'm from in the past, "Orchard Park", then they quite clearly looked me up and down to see if I was tooled up with a knife.
 
It's only snobbery. Hull ? Ooh no. we're better than they are.We're successful.

And that won't ever change.

I live in South Cave and even though it's a town full of massive ****ers, it's nothing to do with money. I work with people in Willerby and they've said the reason they don't want to be annexed is because the only council they've come across that's worse than East Riding is HCC. I agree Hull should have suburbs like other cities though, the City just doesn't feel big enough for the potential it has.
 
Reading this thread, and chatting to family, it seems to me the real obstacle isn't being part of Hull, its coming under the control of HCC. Hardly surprising given the current incumbents of that authority.

You could say that the ER residents want no more to do with HCC than Dr Allam in fact.
That's just as offhand as all the comments about Hull being a dump. Honestly, the ERCC are just as ****ing inept. People have just got into the habit of slagging off anything that's seen as Old Labour (even though it barely exists any more), in the same way that so many utter ****s got into the habit of assuming this city is a dump.
 
I live in South Cave and even though it's a town full of massive ****ers, it's nothing to do with money. I work with people in Willerby and they've said the reason they don't want to be annexed is because the only council they've come across that's worse than East Riding is HCC. I agree Hull should have suburbs like other cities though, the City just doesn't feel big enough for the potential it has.
Presumably you then ask them to list all the other councils they've got experience of?

This is the problem. They base their opinions on virtually **** all.
 
I live in South Cave and even though it's a town full of massive ****ers, it's nothing to do with money. I work with people in Willerby and they've said the reason they don't want to be annexed is because the only council they've come across that's worse than East Riding is HCC. I agree Hull should have suburbs like other cities though, the City just doesn't feel big enough for the potential it has.

Agreed.
 
The nimby's have been out in force in E.Yorkshire looking at the vote results today.

Maybe HCC should start charging folks who have a HU postcode that is outside the HCC boundary for visits to the museum quarter etc, after all they don't want to be part of Hull so why should they receive the Benifits of being from Hull.

You stupid boy, how **** would the attendance have been on Saturday if East Riding residents never turned up, I would guess half the crowd live outside Hull.

How many millions commute into London every day?
 
That's a fair assessment, but the views of people living in those suburbs should be taken into consideration.
Not necessarily.

See my previous post about opinions...

When it comes to demarcating the boundaries for an urban area, opinion shouldn't come into it; it's a simple matter of geography.
 
If truth be told, I'm not completely in favour. For me, the Hull boundary should be extended outwards to take in the true suburbs of Cottingham, Willerby, Anlaby, Kirk Ella and Hessle.

Perhaps this vote was the sound of the suburbs and all the members voted
 
And was you ?

No course not. :bandit:

That's just as offhand as all the comments about Hull being a dump. Honestly, the ERCC are just as ****ing inept. People have just got into the habit of slagging off anything that's seen as Old Labour (even though it barely exists any more), in the same way that so many utter ****s got into the habit of assuming this city is a dump.

No one suggested it was...stop being so sensitive. Fact is, HCC *is* made up of and massively influenced by Old Labour. Tbh that isn't the actual problem, the problem is the specific Old Labour types are seen as a massive problem because of the way they manage their portfolios. You might not agree with that, but it *is* how they are seen.

Not necessarily.

See my previous post about opinions...

When it comes to demarcating the boundaries for an urban area, opinion shouldn't come into it; it's a simple matter of geography.

You mean like Humberside?