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Patches O'Houlihan said:
How, because you and HCC say so? <laugh>

You really don't see the condescension in that post? The people of the East Riding were asked a simple question and they answered it. They don't want Hull to extend its boundaries into their areas to create a Greater Hull. They said No, and the National Boundary Committee will take this into consideration if they have any respect for democracy and the people's wishes. But go ahead and sneer, I'm sure many people who live in the East Riding who visit this board will welcome your attitude regarding their areas.
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They could equally ask everyone in the east riding if they'd like a wooly hat. It really isn't of any consequence. That's not condescending, it's simply how it is.

East Riding residents would have been better off pushing the Council to get representation on the commission and then looking to vote on actual rather than possible scenarios.
 
I still want to know how service delivery is poor in the East Riding?

I've lived in both and would say it's far, far better than in Hull.
 
Sir Cheshire Ben said:
Accurate information.

What was the result of the East Riding Boundary Referendum?

The results of the East Riding Boundary Referendum are detailed below:

Question 1
Should the boundaries of Hull City Council be extended to include Anlaby, with Anlaby Common, Bilton, Cottingham, Elloughton cum Brough, Hedon, Hessle, Kirk Ella, North Ferriby, Preston, Swanland, Welton and Willerby?

No 51,312 - 96.5%
Yes 1,887 - 3.5%

Question 2

There are green open spaces separating Hull from the surrounding towns and villages in the East Riding which your council has sort for many years to protect from being built upon. This is now being opposed by Hull City Council which wants to develop land it owns in these areas. Do you think Hull City Council should be allowed to build upon land it owns in the green open spaces separating Hull and the towns and villages?

No 50,981 - 96%
Yes 2,167 - 4%

Total votes

53,199

Percentage turnout

75.27%
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I know, Probably pointless isn't it. I'm glad it's not my rates they wasted doing it.
 
Party Hull! said:
There were 4 or 5 people in my office who are East Riding residents, and they were talking in extremely derogatory terms about Hull, as they described with glee how they voted against the proposals. Lording it, they were, taking their salaries from Hull.

I told them that I hoped Hull would spread as far as the eye can see, swallowing up their homes and gardens and not letting them back out. I actually received a pointy finger jab to the shoulder for that, from one Anlaby resident.

They don't like us.
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They still can't get over us beating them in the civil war.

It's sad really that uninformed, snobbish beliefs, might hold back the whole region.
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
They could equally ask everyone in the east riding if they'd like a wooly hat. It really isn't of any consequence. That's not condescending, it's simply how it is.

East Riding residents would have been better off pushing the Council to get representation on the commission and then looking to vote on actual rather than possible scenarios.
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Erm, the link you posted specifically said they would consider the views and opinions of the people living in the East Riding, so it does matter. I know you like to stick your fingers in your ears when you're losing an argument, but the National Boundary Committee will take it into consideration. Your attitude towards this is arrogant.
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
I know, Probably pointless isn't it. I'm glad it's not my rates they wasted doing it.
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I think ERYC's decision to consult with their constituents & the subsequent results will be extremely relevant to any forthcoming inquiry that may be considered by the Boundaries Commission as a result of HCC's resolution in establishing a commission of inquiry to examine the case for extending their administrative boundaries.
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
I think most people are. It'd be worrying if they were serious. <laugh>
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What's worrying? They had a referendum and the plans for extending the boundaries will be refused in a similar manner to the FA's refusal of Allam's proposed name change.
 
Sir Cheshire Ben said:
I think ERYC's decision to consult with their constituents & the subsequent results will be extremely relevant to any forthcoming inquiry that may be considered by the Boundaries Commission as a result of HCC's resolution in establishing a commission of inquiry to examine the case for extending their administrative boundaries.
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Rather depends on what the inquiry recommends. It'd have been better to wait and make sure the vote asked the right question. Chances are, it didn't, and it's only one of a number of factors a commission would consider IF it's needed at all.
 
Polly13 said:
It's not similar at all.
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It would be very undemocratic if they went against the wishes of people from the East Riding. Why are you in favour of HCC extending its influence in places it's not wanted?
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
Rather depends on what the inquiry recommends. It'd have been better to wait and make sure the vote asked the right question. Chances are, it didn't, and it's only one of a number of factors a commission would consider IF it's needed at all.
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And what would that question be out of interest?
 
Carmine Galante. said:
And what would that question be out of interest?
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Eh? Nobody will know until after the Independent Review publish their recommendations, that's the point. They could decide things are best left exactly as they are.
 
Patches O'Houlihan said:
It would be very undemocratic if they went against the wishes of people from the East Riding. Why are you in favour of HCC extending its influence in places it's not wanted?
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IF the boundary changes, the chances are Labour would lose that ward. Hardly extending HCC influence. The other potential recommendations could do that as it could leave a degree of influence without representation.
 
I love how people brand "How **** HCC is". Everyone of those wards would bring their own councillors in to HCC. Even now, at a highpoint of Tory/Lib Dem unpopularity though the coalition, the vast majority of those seats would return tories or lib dems. Labour's grip on HCC would be very weak. More often than not, the council would be in NOC, and the councillors would actually have to work for their money, because a few lost seats could mean they were out. Dinosaurs like Terry Geraghty would be a thing of the past.

East Riding council is no better. Stick a blue rosette on it, and it has a place on the ER cabinet. Parnaby has been on that gravy train as council leader since 1996. 18 years with one man in charge? That's not healthy. He moved like **** off a shiny shovel to get this referendum in, because he wanted to make sure he didn't lose all those blue wards keeping him stable in Beverley. That second question didn't need asking. That was NIMBY bait, pure and simple.

For my opinion - I think there are alternatives to shifting the boundaries - but it would require the entire country to measure statistics differently. Other cities are measured including the suburbs - those judgements affect inward investment. Hull is measured with no suburbs. That is really the only issue, and that elephant in the room affects both Hull and the ER. If boundaries aren't to be changed - then something else has to be. We can't continue having the region treat like a ****hole, when in actual fact, we as a region hold our own against other conurbations.
 
Sir Cheshire Ben said:
Accurate information.

What was the result of the East Riding Boundary Referendum?

The results of the East Riding Boundary Referendum are detailed below:

Question 1
Should the boundaries of Hull City Council be extended to include Anlaby, with Anlaby Common, Bilton, Cottingham, Elloughton cum Brough, Hedon, Hessle, Kirk Ella, North Ferriby, Preston, Swanland, Welton and Willerby?

No 51,312 - 96.5%
Yes 1,887 - 3.5%

Question 2

There are green open spaces separating Hull from the surrounding towns and villages in the East Riding which your council has sort for many years to protect from being built upon. This is now being opposed by Hull City Council which wants to develop land it owns in these areas. Do you think Hull City Council should be allowed to build upon land it owns in the green open spaces separating Hull and the towns and villages?

No 50,981 - 96%
Yes 2,167 - 4%

Total votes

53,199

Percentage turnout

75.27%
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When put like that, it's like turkeys voting for christmas.
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
Eh? Nobody will know until after the Independent Review publish their recommendations, that's the point. They could decide things are best left exactly as they are.
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So if they find things are best left as they are there will be no vote, that's plainly obvious.

If they decide a boundary change is possibly a goer and they need to ask the residents of the East Riding what they think I dare say the question asked will be pretty similar to that one asked on the recent vote.

So how is it the wrong question?

Do you want to come under HCC Yes or No?

I maybe missing something but it's a fairly straight forward issue with a fairly straight forward question.
 
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