New owner confirmed…

[dennisboothstash]

To be fair, I have it on good authority that we won't get new owners...they're bound to be second hand.

From a good second hand home ?!

 

[Irememberwaggy]

The 'right' owner is the one who offers the most money, you don't seriously believe that 'good home' bollocks, do you?

I've not seen or heard any reliable evidence to the contrary - have you?

 

[originallambrettaman]

I've not seen or heard any reliable evidence to the contrary - have you?

Yes.

 

[Irememberwaggy]

Yes.

So are you seriously saying that you've got reliable evidence that the Allams' will not be selling to a reliable new owner?

 

[originallambrettaman]

So are you seriously saying that you've got reliable evidence that the Allams' will not be selling to a reliable new owner?

I'm afraid selective reading won't help you here.

That's not what I said.

Apologist.

 

[Barchullona]

So are you seriously saying that you've got reliable evidence that the Allams' will not be selling to a reliable new owner?

You any to show he wouldn't other than what he has said. The man who said he was walking away in 24 hours, the man who said he would give the club away? The man who said football should be as free as the air we breathe?
Not to mention his statements about his flight from Egypt, studying, money transfer problems etc? How could anyone doubt him?

 

[Barchullona]

I was a supporter of the Allams when the name change was floated. I didn't agree with the plan but could see the logic (need to raise significant investment from overseas and rebranding can often assist this, and "Tigers" appeal to both far east and US).

Unfortunately the arrogance and disregard for fans has turned the whole episode toxic and untenable. We need new owners quick

I would prefer the Americans, Sachs know how to develop a profit, American owners generally know who to include the fans, and have great business managers who understand sport.

Which logic was that? What rebranding of football clubs set a precedent? The significant investment if we had changed the name turned out to be a possibility of £1million. £1million when our income was about £100million anyway. Well worth causing upset and alienating fans, wasn't it?

 

[spesupersydera]

Which logic was that? What rebranding of football clubs set a precedent? The significant investment if we had changed the name turned out to be a possibility of £1million. £1million when our income was about £100million anyway. Well worth causing upset and alienating fans, wasn't it?

I give you Vincent Tan at Cardiff CC, this marketing genius started his rebranding efforts before the Allams - shirts from blue to red, bluebirds to dragons, all in an effort to get the Asian dollar out of those gullible Asian punters. We all know how that one ended though; despite the lure of the mighty red dragon the not so gullible Asian punters continued to support Barcelona, Real and ManU etc, and to make things worse, this genius lost a huge part of his his home market too. Fortunately, unlike our owners, Mr Tan saw the flaws of his marketing strategy and instantly reverted back to the historical kit and badge. Moral of the story - our history might not be great, but it's all we've got ... stop ****ing with it!

 

[citycityhull]

Which logic was that? What rebranding of football clubs set a precedent? The significant investment if we had changed the name turned out to be a possibility of £1million. £1million when our income was about £100million anyway. Well worth causing upset and alienating fans, wasn't it?

The business logic, that same logic used by many companies to make significant profits.

example: I was in a bar in thailand after our first promotion, the bar was called Tiger bar and full of city flags and posters. I asked the manager how long he followed city to which he replied "I dont, but we love tigers". Tigers are a symbol of power in asia and from a marketing ploy several companies based in asia may have liked to be linked with Tigers" ergo more profitable sponsorship, potential tours of asia which increase merchandise sales (real madrid recouped beckhams transfer fee in shirt sales alone in far east). Or how about US, massive and growing fan base for football with significant investors, again make a name out there and potential sponsorship opportunities arise.

or you can stick with Flamingo land, and advertising sponsors such as Leonard silver, MKM and the like. I am pretty sure major Asian or US companies would invest a shedmload more cash then local companies, and would be worth far more then £1m overall

I never said that this plan would work but that I could understand the Allam's logic in making "Tigers" a global brand in order to draw in revenue.

nor did I say I supported that train of thought. I detest name change and the start of the Allams slippery sloo was to ignore tradition and fan loyalty in the persuit of a global business model.

as an aside, do you not think that any future owner for overseas will not try to build us into a global brand (hopefully without the ridiculous name change)?

 

[Trau Morgus]

I was a supporter of the Allams when the name change was floated. I didn't agree with the plan but could see the logic (need to raise significant investment from overseas and rebranding can often assist this, and "Tigers" appeal to both far east and US).

It's still staggering that people believed (and still seem to believe) all the 'marketing' bullshit that was supposed to be the reason for a name change.

Take a look at these two lines:

Hull City AFC
Hull City Council

That there is the ONLY reason the whole name change bollocks began.

 

[originallambrettaman]

The business logic, that same logic used by many companies to make significant profits.

example: I was in a bar in thailand after our first promotion, the bar was called Tiger bar and full of city flags and posters. I asked the manager how long he followed city to which he replied "I dont, but we love tigers". Tigers are a symbol of power in asia and from a marketing ploy several companies based in asia may have liked to be linked with Tigers" ergo more profitable sponsorship, potential tours of asia which increase merchandise sales (real madrid recouped beckhams transfer fee in shirt sales alone in far east). Or how about US,

As someone with thirty years experience of doing business in China, including brand marketing, I can tell you categorically that it was a complete load of bollocks. Even Assem knew it was bollocks, he knew it would never generate any extra revenue, it was just a bullshit excuse to try and disguise his real motivation, which was spite.

 

[spesupersydera]

It's still staggering that people believed (and still seem to believe) all the 'marketing' bullshit that was supposed to be the reason for a name change.

Take a look at these two lines:

Hull City AFC
Hull City Council



That there is the ONLY reason the whole name change bollocks began.

The believers are getting fewer and fewer though TM

 

[Barchullona]

The business logic, that same logic used by many companies to make significant profits.

example: I was in a bar in thailand after our first promotion, the bar was called Tiger bar and full of city flags and posters. I asked the manager how long he followed city to which he replied "I dont, but we love tigers". Tigers are a symbol of power in asia and from a marketing ploy several companies based in asia may have liked to be linked with Tigers" ergo more profitable sponsorship, potential tours of asia which increase merchandise sales (real madrid recouped beckhams transfer fee in shirt sales alone in far east). Or how about US, massive and growing fan base for football with significant investors, again make a name out there and potential sponsorship opportunities arise.

or you can stick with Flamingo land, and advertising sponsors such as Leonard silver, MKM and the like. I am pretty sure major Asian or US companies would invest a shedmload more cash then local companies, and would be worth far more then £1m overall

I never said that this plan would work but that I could understand the Allam's logic in making "Tigers" a global brand in order to draw in revenue.

nor did I say I supported that train of thought. I detest name change and the start of the Allams slippery sloo was to ignore tradition and fan loyalty in the persuit of a global business model.

as an aside, do you not think that any future owner for overseas will not try to build us into a global brand (hopefully without the ridiculous name change)?

So a bloke who had a bar called Tiger bar in Thailand is proof that changing our name would be a good idea? The bloke who was full of flags and posters of a team named Hull City, which rsther negates your point.
What one of the two or three biggest clubs in the world selling shirts with the name of who was possibly the best known football in the world has to do with it our how it justifies change our name is a mystery only you can explain. Maybe if they had dropped the common and lousy Real, there a load of clubs in Spain with that name, and become Madrid Tigers they would have sold even more.

 

[The FRENCH TICKLER]

It's still staggering that people believed (and still seem to believe) all the 'marketing' bullshit that was supposed to be the reason for a name change.

Take a look at these two lines:

Hull City AFC
Hull City Council

That there is the ONLY reason the whole name change bollocks began.

Correct ^^^^^^ this.

I hope that even Assem has had enough of his boy blunder messing things up. Maybe the actual owner has taken over the talks.
"Ebab go away and clean your room". Leave things to the adults.

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

The business logic, that same logic used by many companies to make significant profits.

example: I was in a bar in thailand after our first promotion, the bar was called Tiger bar and full of city flags and posters. I asked the manager how long he followed city to which he replied "I dont, but we love tigers". Tigers are a symbol of power in asia and from a marketing ploy several companies based in asia may have liked to be linked with Tigers" ergo more profitable sponsorship, potential tours of asia which increase merchandise sales (real madrid recouped beckhams transfer fee in shirt sales alone in far east). Or how about US, massive and growing fan base for football with significant investors, again make a name out there and potential sponsorship opportunities arise.

or you can stick with Flamingo land, and advertising sponsors such as Leonard silver, MKM and the like. I am pretty sure major Asian or US companies would invest a shedmload more cash then local companies, and would be worth far more then £1m overall

I never said that this plan would work but that I could understand the Allam's logic in making "Tigers" a global brand in order to draw in revenue.

nor did I say I supported that train of thought. I detest name change and the start of the Allams slippery sloo was to ignore tradition and fan loyalty in the persuit of a global business model.

as an aside, do you not think that any future owner for overseas will not try to build us into a global brand (hopefully without the ridiculous name change)?

Even if that wasn't bollocks, we could still have marketed "The Tigers", our nickname, without the need to even consider changing the club's name.

Unfortunately Allam doesn't have logic or an Asian business plan. What he does have is an obsessive loathing of Hull City Council & because of this obsessive loathing he refuses to use the words "Hull City" unless he really has to. His obsession has led to spiteful attacks on supporters, who have fought passionately for the club to retain it's name, by way of threats, bullying, intimidation & ridiculous price increases.

They're lying ****s who cannot be trusted, the sooner they **** off the better.


On a side note, your bar which was full of City flags was full of Hull City flags not Hull Tiger flags. Go figure.

EDIT: just seen CC had made a similar point to my last one.

 

[Mr Hatem]

Correct ^^^^^^ this.

I hope that even Assem has had enough of his boy blunder messing things up. Maybe the actual owner has taken over the talks.
"Ebab go away and clean your room". Leave things to the adults.

Ebab? Probably you fancy a kebab after visiting the snooker club tonight.

 

[Mr. Shoes]

Jesus wept.

Are we still raking over old wounds.


I'd like a few moths in here right now for a change of scene.


Can't be long now, to wait and see. Better not be, as there seems to be an inverse correlation between the closer we get and the blather posted.

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

Guys, I don't post on here very often however as an ex Director Hull Forward/Hull City build (the old regeneration company for Hull) I think I need to clarify a few points that you are discussing, Re investors and investment into the site.

It is not as simple as re-developing the ground and surrounding area, the land on on Walton Street is somewhat land locked and restricted in terms of its ability to bring forward large scale regeneration/development projects, due to major traffic flow concerns. Also, the local plan currently does not recognise developments of this nature outside of the city centre boundary therefore, it would be difficult to obtain planning due to a number of factors - for any investor.

Originally the KC Stadium was designed with a Rail station this would have elevated traffic flow problems, however, due to the disruption it would have caused to Network Rail and the delay it would have had on the build on the KC Stadium it was not pursued.

Adam Pearson was the first to discuss Casino's, Hotel's. Leisure facilities etc, and he was equally frustrated by the answer. Then the Allam' s come along with more or less the same offer but also requested a Public sector asset transfer (KC Stadium value 60-70m) they didn't want to purchase it, but said they wanted to develop a site that currently can't be developed???

Major long term Infrastructure improvements would have to be made before any perceived developments can move forward, and who pays for that, the Council and they have no money? This would also need to be supported in the local Planning framework which it currently isn't.

So if our American friends think they've seen some a development others haven't they are going to be disappointed, lets hope their interests are in buying a great club with passionate fans?

Certainly isn't straight forward unless the Council do a you u-turn, find some money and Planning amend its local framework?!

Cheers

AndyM

Thanks Andy that is an excellent post. If you have any more info please post it

 

[The Omega Man]

Guys, I don't post on here very often however as an ex Director Hull Forward/Hull City build (the old regeneration company for Hull) I think I need to clarify a few points that you are discussing, Re investors and investment into the site.

It is not as simple as re-developing the ground and surrounding area, the land on on Walton Street is somewhat land locked and restricted in terms of its ability to bring forward large scale regeneration/development projects, due to major traffic flow concerns. Also, the local plan currently does not recognise developments of this nature outside of the city centre boundary therefore, it would be difficult to obtain planning due to a number of factors - for any investor.

Originally the KC Stadium was designed with a Rail station this would have elevated traffic flow problems, however, due to the disruption it would have caused to Network Rail and the delay it would have had on the build on the KC Stadium it was not pursued.

Adam Pearson was the first to discuss Casino's, Hotel's. Leisure facilities etc, and he was equally frustrated by the answer. Then the Allam' s come along with more or less the same offer but also requested a Public sector asset transfer (KC Stadium value 60-70m) they didn't want to purchase it, but said they wanted to develop a site that currently can't be developed???

Major long term Infrastructure improvements would have to be made before any perceived developments can move forward, and who pays for that, the Council and they have no money? This would also need to be supported in the local Planning framework which it currently isn't.

So if our American friends think they've seen some a development others haven't they are going to be disappointed, lets hope their interests are in buying a great club with passionate fans?

Certainly isn't straight forward unless the Council do a you u-turn, find some money and Planning amend its local framework?!

Cheers

AndyM

I have posted this in the past. I also think that a hotel would still not be a viable proposal unless there was an addition feature such as a conference centre. Even a casino could struggle at the location.

 

[Anal Frank Fingers]

You probably worked with my Dad then.

Bet your Dad is Bob. There are similarities