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FellTop said:
A meander through my thoughts.

Maybe, just maybe, we arent good enough to attract these coaches like Still? Maybe we are just a pawn in the game, used by ambitious people to jump the ladder. Lets face it, we finished low mid table in the championship and dont have a squad that screams promotion. We also rarely give a coach a full season, only Ross and Moyes in the last decade. Why would somebody like Still trust us to work for him?

Interviewing for a top role is a 2 way process. The interview quizzes the interviewer as much as the other way round. I have just accepted a very good role in my sector, was headhunted, but went back twice after job offer to talk to them and find out if they were going to be able to live up to my expectations. I wonder how our relatively inexperienced top table would come across when interviewed? Maybe they dont know how to provide assurances and robust answers because they dont have that know how.

Maybe we are too focussed on overseas coaches. How relevant are Sunderland to 30 something Germans or Austrians really. Perhaps if we went for the 30 something Brit they would understand the scale of the opportunity better. There are as many exciting young coaches on our shores, in my opinion, probably more tbh.

Why do our fans turn their nose up at someone like Rosenior? Every Hull fan I know said he has completely rejuvinated them. I think sometimes fans look at a loan signing or two and think it is enough for top 2 or something. Rosenior would be a very good fit here in my opinion. Similar football style to Martin who has just gone up. I would try to pinch Mousinho from Portsmouth, excellent job. I would take Evatt and I would even test Bristol City hard on Manning. These guys, if we want young, are talented with ceilings we dont yet know.

As for the likes of Heckingbottam I dont know why he is put up as some alternative universe styls disaster. He is still young enough to learn. Sheff Utd needed to go up with their squad, then completely took his best assets away. I have no doubt he would work harder than anyone if he got the job here. He would put his heart and soul into it, and wouldnt be thinking about us a stepping stone and what can he get out of us.

Anyway, no doubt it will be Still and we will be celebrating. All I want is someone to last at least 2 seasons and help mould our footballing identity at first team level. If that ends up as Rosenior I for one would be delighted. If it is Still, equally so.
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Great post mate and I agree with you on Rosenior. If I had to pick from someone who is available that is based in England, he would be my pick of the bunch.
 
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TopCat_ said:
Will they? What's the timescale threshold for that? If we hadn't had a permanent head coach since mid-March would that be ok? Can you help me out with the weeks since manager x player unhappiness quotient?
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I think you know what you’re asking can’t be answered but it’s not really the gotcha you think it is. The players have signed for us to develop and there’s only so much of that they can do on the training pitch with Dodds and Proctor.

They want to be playing games and winning which as I mentioned in my other post they haven’t been doing on a consistent basis since Mowbray. The longer it takes the more they will question their future at the club. That’s the truth of it.
 
FellTop said:
A meander through my thoughts.

Maybe, just maybe, we arent good enough to attract these coaches like Still? Maybe we are just a pawn in the game, used by ambitious people to jump the ladder. Lets face it, we finished low mid table in the championship and dont have a squad that screams promotion. We also rarely give a coach a full season, only Ross and Moyes in the last decade. Why would somebody like Still trust us to work for him?

Interviewing for a top role is a 2 way process. The interview quizzes the interviewer as much as the other way round. I have just accepted a very good role in my sector, was headhunted, but went back twice after job offer to talk to them and find out if they were going to be able to live up to my expectations. I wonder how our relatively inexperienced top table would come across when interviewed? Maybe they dont know how to provide assurances and robust answers because they dont have that know how.

Maybe we are too focussed on overseas coaches. How relevant are Sunderland to 30 something Germans or Austrians really. Perhaps if we went for the 30 something Brit they would understand the scale of the opportunity better. There are as many exciting young coaches on our shores, in my opinion, probably more tbh.

Why do our fans turn their nose up at someone like Rosenior? Every Hull fan I know said he has completely rejuvinated them. I think sometimes fans look at a loan signing or two and think it is enough for top 2 or something. Rosenior would be a very good fit here in my opinion. Similar football style to Martin who has just gone up. I would try to pinch Mousinho from Portsmouth, excellent job. I would take Evatt and I would even test Bristol City hard on Manning. These guys, if we want young, are talented with ceilings we dont yet know.

As for the likes of Heckingbottam I dont know why he is put up as some alternative universe styls disaster. He is still young enough to learn. Sheff Utd needed to go up with their squad, then completely took his best assets away. I have no doubt he would work harder than anyone if he got the job here. He would put his heart and soul into it, and wouldnt be thinking about us a stepping stone and what can he get out of us.

Anyway, no doubt it will be Still and we will be celebrating. All I want is someone to last at least 2 seasons and help mould our footballing identity at first team level. If that ends up as Rosenior I for one would be delighted. If it is Still, equally so.
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I've said it before, I think Still has been overhyped for months.

Willy knew he was leaving Reims so put himself in the shop window to get as much attention from clubs as possible.

He's obviously a good motivator which ties in with the impressive start to his career and his attacking approach.

Beyond that, I don't see a lot. He's inexperienced and I wonder how he'll cope when things don't go his way.

Heck is a decent manager/head coach and would be infinitely better than the situation at present.
 
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I keep seeing certain people claiming Sunderland are a laughing stock.

Can they tell me if they think Stoke are a laughing stock for wasting millions on Alex Neil then sacking him.

Are Birmingham a laughing stock for being 6th, sacking their manager and being relegated by that manager.

Are Leeds a laughing stock for wasting millions, failing to go up and being in a huge financial mess.

I could list loads more clubs but I suspect those with blinkers on wouldn't even bother reading.

Sunderland are a Championship club looking for a manager ...

... that's about as funny as it gets tbh.
 
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Dorset said:
Great post mate and I agree with you on Rosenior. If I had to pick from someone who is available that is based in England, he would be my pick of the bunch.
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I know a little bit about his coaching and thinking about the game from his time at Derby, which is on my doorstep. He is really good on training ground and I dare say he is tactically getting better. He was regarded really highly by Derby players, and did some stellar work with younger ones. He will be a very good coach somewhere, I have no doubt.
 
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Dorset said:
Great post mate and I agree with you on Rosenior. If I had to pick from someone who is available that is based in England, he would be my pick of the bunch.
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I wouldnt mind Rosenior at all, really likeable guy and is still learning what type of manager he will be

I didnt enjoy the football hull played last season, very slow n lacked creativity but might tweak it in his next role

I really dont like Heckingbottom as a manager, i mentioned my reason on here so no point going into it again

Be happy with Still, think it might be him still but should know over the weekend if it is
 
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Grimes said:
I think you know what you’re asking can’t be answered but it’s not really the gotcha you think it is. The players have signed for us to develop and there’s only so much of that they can do on the training pitch with Dodds and Proctor.

They want to be playing games and winning which as I mentioned in my other post they haven’t been doing on a consistent basis since Mowbray. The longer it takes the more they will question their future at the club. That’s the truth of it.
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They're all on holiday mate, I never give work a second's thought when I'm on mine ...

... perhaps you need one.
 
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Confucius said:
It’s funny how you are allowed to qualify his promotion but he can’t take any responsibility for their relegation. Haven’t you just judged him off one season?
He was sacked because he was failing . He certainly wasn’t sacked because he was succeeding. Like I say I want a manager to come in get promoted and be good enough to keep us there.
And no I don’t know who, I just know not him
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If I may, he wasn't sack just because they were not doing well, he fell out with the owners due to lack of funding, and I mean lack of stuff not paid and it caused embarrassing situations throughout the club.
Now that's a fact.
 
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Smug in Boots said:
They're all on holiday mate, I never give work a second's thought when I'm on mine ...

... perhaps you need one.
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But then I could ask the same back to you -

how do you know what the players are thinking?

top and bottom of it we could just agree to say some will be thinking about it some won’t
 
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Can I play the advocate of the Devil? Imagine you're the owner of a football club, the club you own managed to welcome the bitter rivals of the club you own by laying out the red carpet and putting on sandwiches. The club you own finishes 6 points off relegation to league one after a massive drop off because you lost one player to injury half way through the season and 3 different people took the reigns of the first team and that was just one season? You're probably fighting off several attempts for your best players from other clubs in the summer.After several cluster f**ks you NEED to make the right call on whom is going to be your new coach and figure head of your club. It may be Still and we have a cracking season next year or Still is a bit of a knacker and the club can't risk the same problem at Christmas if it all goes the shape of the pare. Perhaps the club are being diligent in appointing their new man. Ofcourse I could be totally wrong and yes it's been 100 plus days, but I'd rather the club get it right in the long run, because make no mistake about it and some mite not like it, but that was relegation form 2nd half of last year. All of the above is Ofcourse in my humble opinion.
 
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Grimes said:
I think you know what you’re asking can’t be answered but it’s not really the gotcha you think it is. The players have signed for us to develop and there’s only so much of that they can do on the training pitch with Dodds and Proctor.

They want to be playing games and winning which as I mentioned in my other post they haven’t been doing on a consistent basis since Mowbray. The longer it takes the more they will question their future at the club. That’s the truth of it.
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Complete supposition
 
Mass hysteria in full swing this evening, whilst the club stays silent.

Looking forward to another Groundhog Day tomorrow
 
Bob the Mackem said:
If I may, he wasn't sack just because they were not doing well, he fell out with the owners due to lack of funding, and I mean lack of stuff not paid and it caused embarrassing situations throughout the club.
Now that's a fact.
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It’s also a fact that they were 20th when he was sacked with 5 points from 14 games. It’s also a fact that Wilder got more on the remaining games from the team.
 
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