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Fair point and to be fair even if we had Pep you can't account for the number of individual mistakes today. The problem is you can almost see any confidence completely drain if we concede a goal.

& This is the problem, confidence & a leader. We looked decent first 5 mins, cane forward, the started to retreat.... concede & this it caved in. For as well we played at Cardiff if we dont get the penalty would we have gone on to win or even play well....if we conceded first probably not....its not necessarily ability with the squad we have, it just needs a few tweaks...& Those tweaks in the main are an older capable head in couple of positions
 
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& This is the problem, confidence & a leader. We looked decent first 5 mins, cane forward, the started to retreat.... concede & this it caved in. For as well we played at Cardiff if we dont get the penalty would we have gone on to win or even play well....if we conceded first probably not....its not necessarily ability with the squad we have, it just needs a few tweaks...& Those tweaks in the main are an older capable head in couple of positions
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Just a thought on the back of De Zerbis comments around the club matching his ambitions.

Is it difficult to attract a manager when we have been so openly saying 'the model' we are working to is to sell the better players and replace them with unproven talent?

I know alot of the noise is external and we havent sold anyone of real note yet but will an ambitious manager want to join a club that is going to sell the players from under you?
 
Just a thought on the back of De Zerbis comments around the club matching his ambitions.

Is it difficult to attract a manager when we have been so openly saying 'the model' we are working to is to sell the better players and replace them with unproven talent?

I know alot of the noise is external and we havent sold anyone of real note yet but will an ambitious manager want to join a club that is going to sell the players from under you?

TBH I'd think most managers, of this level, would come to a club this size ...

... sadly, money is the biggest factor imo.

The only 'vision' Alex Neil had, at Stoke' was pound notes.
 
I haven't seen that anywhere. Is that actually a thing?

No offence to Wes but it's become a fact like the £10m loan and Patterson bare knuckle fighting the coaches.

KLD would have to be deranged to come to the far NE coast, avoid the PL and try to balance the books in this league ...

... we almost cracked it last season and only need key injuries back, a few good signings and a competent coach to have another good go.

Simple as that <laugh>
 
I haven't seen that anywhere. Is that actually a thing?

Not in as many words but from reading between the lines and as I said we havent done it yet:

“The blueprint for the future and the ambition to create a sustainable structure with a clear identity is one I will work diligently and passionately to bring to fruition for Sunderland fans. I’m grateful for the autonomy granted me by the ownership group to pursue this plan and create something we can all be proud of.

“I had my understanding of the model from the outside, and the model is about development and having an elite way of training and playing,” he explained. “It’s about recruiting players that are on the up, rather than players that are maybe already at their full potential.
 
Just a thought on the back of De Zerbis comments around the club matching his ambitions.

Is it difficult to attract a manager when we have been so openly saying 'the model' we are working to is to sell the better players and replace them with unproven talent?

I know alot of the noise is external and we havent sold anyone of real note yet but will an ambitious manager want to join a club that is going to sell the players from under you?
So the same as any club? Every club in the championship would sell their 'best' player if a suitable offer came in. Only about 3 clubs in world football are not selling clubs. To improve as a club, especially under the current and new rules, you have to sell players to upgrade your squad.
 
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Not in as many words but from reading between the lines and as I said we havent done it yet:

“The blueprint for the future and the ambition to create a sustainable structure with a clear identity is one I will work diligently and passionately to bring to fruition for Sunderland fans. I’m grateful for the autonomy granted me by the ownership group to pursue this plan and create something we can all be proud of.

“I had my understanding of the model from the outside, and the model is about development and having an elite way of training and playing,” he explained. “It’s about recruiting players that are on the up, rather than players that are maybe already at their full potential.

Not being difficult but isn't it easier just to read the lines ...

... it all seems quite reasonable.

We have to sign players like Clarke, Bellingham, Ballard, etc, 'on the up' because it would be impossible for us to sign them now, or in another year.

It's all about getting 'the model' working, not easy.
 
Every club is going to sell players that will bring in a large fee and that is clearly going to be part of being sustainable.

For me, the key point of the model is the bringing in players who are on the up. Or, as has been the case with players like Clarke, who's careers have maybe stalled a little bit. My current favourite success story doing things that way is the Vegas Golden Knights. As an expansion team in the NHL, they brought in players from around the league that weren't getting gametime elsewhere- they were considered to be a team of misfits. They got to the Stanley Cup Final in their first season, made the playoffs in 4 of the following 5 seasons and are the current Stanley Cup holders, still with a whole line's worth of those original misfits.
 
Not in as many words but from reading between the lines and as I said we havent done it yet:

“The blueprint for the future and the ambition to create a sustainable structure with a clear identity is one I will work diligently and passionately to bring to fruition for Sunderland fans. I’m grateful for the autonomy granted me by the ownership group to pursue this plan and create something we can all be proud of.

“I had my understanding of the model from the outside, and the model is about development and having an elite way of training and playing,” he explained. “It’s about recruiting players that are on the up, rather than players that are maybe already at their full potential.

That just sounds like good business in football like the likes of Southampton and Dortmund etc have been doing for decades.
 
That just sounds like good business in football like the likes of Southampton and Dortmund etc have been doing for decades.

The opposite of 'sustainable' is unsustainable.

Football fans from Everton to Bury couldn't care less about being sustainable ...

... until it all goes wrong and words like 'administration' pop up.

If Short had asked if he should keep spending we'd have all said yes, well I would <laugh>
 
Every club is going to sell players that will bring in a large fee and that is clearly going to be part of being sustainable.

For me, the key point of the model is the bringing in players who are on the up. Or, as has been the case with players like Clarke, who's careers have maybe stalled a little bit. My current favourite success story doing things that way is the Vegas Golden Knights. As an expansion team in the NHL, they brought in players from around the league that weren't getting gametime elsewhere- they were considered to be a team of misfits. They got to the Stanley Cup Final in their first season, made the playoffs in 4 of the following 5 seasons and are the current Stanley Cup holders, still with a whole line's worth of those original misfits.

Hockey's a girls game.:emoticon-0105-wink:
 
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That just sounds like good business in football like the likes of Southampton and Dortmund etc have been doing for decades.

I'm in know way criticising the way approach or the way the club is being run. i actually like the idea of it and it has been reasonably successful so far.

I'm merely questioning if it is more difficult to attract a 'proven manager' to work within them constraints, bearing in mind we have had two that have previously been critical of it
 
Just a thought on the back of De Zerbis comments around the club matching his ambitions.

Is it difficult to attract a manager when we have been so openly saying 'the model' we are working to is to sell the better players and replace them with unproven talent?

I know alot of the noise is external and we havent sold anyone of real note yet but will an ambitious manager want to join a club that is going to sell the players from under you?
Not being funny mate but when has the club said the model is the sell the better players and replace with unproven ones?
 
I'm in know way criticising the way approach or the way the club is being run. i actually like the idea of it and it has been reasonably successful so far.

I'm merely questioning if it is more difficult to attract a 'proven manager' to work within them constraints, bearing in mind we have had two that have previously been critical of it

Sure it will put a few chequebook managers off.

They aren't the people for us anyhow. We need to hire a coach who want to coach and develop players.