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New Head Coach

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by FellTop, Nov 26, 2023.

  1. Southern A

    Southern A Well-Known Member

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    Skubala is an interesting one as he went to Lincoln as Head Coach and didn't take any staff with him or bring his own staff. In fact the first team coach was promoted to his assistant, like Dodds was with Beale.

    Just as a counter argument to those who think Beale only failed because he "wasn't allowed" to bring staff with him.
     
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  2. Brainy Dose

    Brainy Dose Well-Known Member

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    Yeah,he did,and a lot of tactical work too. Clough's main skill was man-management...he knew how to get the best from the players.
     
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  3. Coastal Dolphins

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    Beale failed because he's not any good. As predicted by 99% of us but Speakman new better..........only he didn't.
     
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  4. Southern A

    Southern A Well-Known Member

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    I'm just saying... head coaches can be a success even if they inherit their backroom staff.
     
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  5. Coastal Dolphins

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    Fair enough.
     
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  6. Iain

    Iain Well-Known Member

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    Might not always agree with what you say mate but I also picked up on that and it wasn't just him I'm sure Jobe did as well.
    I know he's standing in and normally on the training pitch he would be doddsy, but when he's the main man you can't be friends, there has to be a line
     
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  7. Prehab26

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    Absolutely. I always think there has to be a line. An unspoken fear / respect for the gaffa.
     
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  8. Coastal Dolphins

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    Not in the slightest surprised at this Doddsy rubbish.
    Stinks of unprofessionalism, low standards and mediocrity. I'm struggling to think of anything speakman has got right since replacing Neil with Mowbray.
    Probably signing Bellingham but nowt else.
     
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  9. The Norton Cat

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    I totally agree with you but it's not that unusual. I've heard plenty of players calling managers by first name or nickname in interviews. This isn't the best example, but if you read this, it might even be Doddsy's choice.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...th-southgate-asks-players-call-gareth-effort/
     
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  10. Southern A

    Southern A Well-Known Member

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    Yeah completely agree with this. I completely get why O'Nien calls Dodds "Doddsy", and in a way its neither of their fault for being put in this situation. But Dodds should be insisting he gets called "Gaffer" or "Boss". And O'Nien should be savvy enough to know as the senior player that when he talks about Dodds he should be calling him that.

    It may seem a minor point. But if O'Nien is calling him "Doddsy" to the media, he's also calling him it when he discusses him "within the group".

    It just highlights the lack of leadership, and a lack of "ownership" between Dodds and O'Nien in instilling that leadership.
     
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  11. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    The players know that mate ...

    ... I'd guess it's the players way of giving their clear opinion of Dodds, 'nice lad, not a leader'.

    O'Nien may not be Bobby Moore but he's definitely media savvy and doesn't shoplift in jewellery stores.
     
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  12. Disco down under

    Disco down under Well-Known Member

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    I think I'm living in a different world to people on here. I've called plenty of bosses by a contraction/nickname without it being an act of disrespect or a sign of unhealthy familiarity.

    This is another one I just cannot understand. It's getting really odd around here.
     
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  13. Nacho

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    I don't mind the players calling him Doddsy, everyone knows it's only a temporary situation while we get to the end of the season at which point he goes back to his old role most likely.

    Different matter for the new head coach though, there needs to be more of a respectful distance between him and the players.
     
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  14. The Norton Cat

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    It's alright, you get an instruction sheet when you pick up your pitchfork.
     
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    Disco down under Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely wacky.
     
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  16. Southern A

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    There's levels of outrage though. Some of us are trying, I hope, to point out problems constructively and level headedly. There are others who every single post is the same point over and over again though, without any attempt to soften or see other POV. Just vitriol.

    Personally I wouldn't mind if Speakman left now for many reasons, but am not chasing him out.

    I also think its unprofessional to refer to the manager with a nickname, even if I understand the reason why its happened.
     
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  17. Mackem 10.1

    Mackem 10.1 Well-Known Member

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    Bench Onien, he's 1 of our best players
     
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  18. flandersmackem

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    Which tells where you where our squad is right now
     
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    I get the feeling that we could appoint Pep tomorrow and some people will still find a way to have a pop at the club
     
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  20. The Norton Cat

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    You do have to wonder about the dynamics when a player calls the manager (or whatever) by a nickname. However, as I've said in an earlier post, it's not unusual. In this case, we all understand that it's not a normal player/head coach relationship. So, really, it's not worth anything more than a raised eyebrow and maybe a hope that they have a slightly different relationship with the 'permanent' head coach. Making an issue of it, in the current climate, just comes across as more of the relentless, tedious, petty nitpicking that has been going on for far too long and which I, and seemingly plenty of other people, are growing throughly sick of.
     
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