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New Head Coach

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by FellTop, Nov 26, 2023.

  1. Pure River Slut

    Pure River Slut Well-Known Member

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    Wouldn’t join under Speakman and wouldn’t be chosen by Speakman. If Speakman left and he implied he was the problem that probably would suffice judging by the posts i see.
     
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  2. Pure River Slut

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    Also I think a person with more first team experience than Speakman would help. Speakman does well with the bits he knows. Developing young players and academies.
     
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  3. Hudson92

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    Mental given the statue outside the stadium
     
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  4. Sour Patch

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    Harvey is supposed to be that is he not?
     
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  5. Pure River Slut

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    People who know this level of football should judge if those scouted could play this level. It’s none thing finding good footballers, those good to own, another judging whether they are ready to impact at this level right now and give the sign off.
     
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  6. Sour Patch

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    Harvey was head of recruitment at Blackburn, who are at the same level.
     
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  7. Scootsie

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    half the people who twist about these things won’t even know that either.
     
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  8. Magnus

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    will still is who we want
     
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  9. Pure River Slut

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    But had a manager signing off
     
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  10. Chunksafc

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    And his backroom team or just him?
     
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  11. Flash Gordon

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    Absolutely. Unfortunately things have changed and just like society, football is now about extremes.

    Look at the way people are calling for the heads of everyone at the club, because we're midtable.

    Jobe Bellingham has not long turned 18 and is our second top scorer this season. But instead of being a promising young player who maybe needs a rest, he's "****e" or "will never make it". etc.

    People are not capable of level headed opinions anymore.
     
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  12. Sour Patch

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    A manager doesn't need to sign off on signings, in fact I am completely against it unless you have one of the top coaches in the game like Pep or Klopp. Even then, some of Liverpools best signings in the Klopp era were not Klopp signings. They need involvement in the recruitment process yes but they shouldn't get the final say, mainly because the lifespan of coaches these days is under 2 years whereas players are signing 4/5 year contracts.
     
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  13. Sour Patch

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    Does he want to come if he can't bring his staff though? His brother is on his staff so I can't see him joining without him.
     
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  14. Pure River Slut

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    Harvey hasn’t played first team football or been directly judged by team performances. Someone who understands what it’s like to play this standard of football needs to make a judgment. There needs to be counterbalances on all sides.
     
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  15. Sour Patch

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    So you have to had played the game to make decisions? That doesn't make sense. Some of the great football minds of our time barely kicked a ball in anger. People want Cooper in charge here yet the highest level he played at was the Welsh league.
     
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  16. Blond Bombshell

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    Gerrin
     
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  17. Smug in Boots

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    Totally agree mate and I'm sure the club know that, hence trying for Kieffer Moore.

    I'd only say that some of the injuries have been difficult to contend with. I remember Evans being written off, to a great degree, before it became obvious he was useful in more ways than one ...

    ... on field captain being one.

    Cirkin has been another big loss, way advanced of his years.
     
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  18. Pure River Slut

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    No but either that or you’ve coached a competitive team at first team level, otherwise you’re just a data geek. Both approaches work well but if you don’t know the required standard it’s just algorithms
     
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  19. Flash Gordon

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    Is it fair to say that if you've never been a head scout spotting these players, you'd have no idea what the skillset or knowledge required is?
     
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  20. Sour Patch

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    I am so confused by what your point is? What has playing at a certain level got to do with their ability to coach or scout?

    Also, as someone who works in football in data and scouting who hasn't played an organised game of football since I was 16 does that invalidate my input at my club? Am I just a data geek?
     
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