Name change discussion

[Happy Tiger]

Well done. You have the backing (or a cynical PR opportunity) from Merson? You must be so proud.

Wtf has it got to do with them? I'm guessing if they'd come out and said something positive in support of Dr Allam, your dirty tricks would kick in to discredit them, I mean, what have they got to do with us etc? Im quite sure you'd be dragging up Mersons "colourful" past too.

The 2 faced nature of CTWD is breathtaking.

 

[Obadiah]

our last season in the PL, was when we were relegated and Allam wasn't in charge then, duh! Or are you trying to rewrite history Obi?

Apologies slip of the pen. Just put it down to stupidity.

It should have read

Did he have a business plan for last season in the Championship? The last accounts show that one of our two best seasons in over hundred years brought in extra income of £35,000 and that was achieved by selling off over £200,000 of the previous year's stock.

 

[originallambrettaman]

Well done. You have the backing (or a cynical PR opportunity) from Merson? You must be so proud.

Wtf has it got to do with them? I'm guessing if they'd come out and said something positive in support of Dr Allam, your dirty tricks would kick in to discredit them, I mean, what have they got to do with us etc? Im quite sure you'd be dragging up Mersons "colourful" past too.

The 2 faced nature of CTWD is breathtaking.

We have the backing of most pundits and fans of other clubs, the FA vote is about the rules that will apply to all clubs, not just Hull City. The entire football family want to see club names and colours protected, it's just some gullible locals here that think these things don't matter.

 

[FILEYseadog]

Personally people in the media's opinions count for nothing.....Pro or Anti name change .

Couldn't give a hoot what a reporter writes or some one like Merson says.

Same as fans from other clubs.

It's what the 20,000 plus Hull City supporters think that matters .

 

[hullinasia]

We were already The Tigers, we didn't need to incorporate it into our playing name to exploit that fact.

If you are. as you say, involved in marketing British brands in Asia, you'll be well aware that it's the history and heritage that the Asian market buys into. The most successful British brands in Asia are those that produce a premium product and have done for many years, the likes of Burberry, Land Rover, Jaguar etc, none of which would we be daft enough to change their name to try and make them more appealing in Asia.

There is one way and one way only to generate long term success in Asia and that's to be successful on the pitch, the Asian market is far too sophisticated to buy into gimmicks.

Thats the whole point the company's you mention are well known successful brands worldwide who have produced a premium product for years just like man utd, liverpool unfortunately we are not a well known brand or produce a premium product so we have to try different ways to brand our business. What that should be is another story and im not suggesting the name change would work..

Also if it was down to heritage teams like Notts County and Sheffield FC would be well supported teams in Asia already.

On a point of changing names all car manufactures change the name of the car models to suit each market as a very basic rule of marketing and a very successful one.

I would also point out the branding is not about shirt sales or tv rights, its about generating sponsorship

Training ground sponsor
shirt sponsor
training gear sponsor
stand sponsor
official airplane sponsor
It sponsor

etc etc etc

And thats why Asia is been targeted you only have to watch TV and look at the advertising boards to see were the sponsors are coming from..

 

[hullinasia]

Personally people in the media's opinions count for nothing.....Pro or Anti name change .

Couldn't give a hoot what a reporter writes or some one like Merson says.

Same as fans from other clubs.

It's what the 20,000 plus Hull City supporters think that matters .

Until may last year none of these pundits, newspaper reporters gave a **** about us. Be interesting to see if we did fall back down the leagues how many of them will still be talking or writing articles on us.

 

[Obadiah]

Thats the whole point the company's you mention are well known successful brands worldwide who have produced a premium product for years just like man utd, liverpool unfortunately we are not a well known brand or produce a premium product so we have to try different ways to brand our business. What that should be is another story and im not suggesting the name change would work..

Also if it was down to heritage teams like Notts County and Sheffield FC would be well supported teams in Asia already.

On a point of changing names all car manufactures change the name of the car models to suit each market as a very basic rule of marketing and a very successful one.

I would also point out the branding is not about shirt sales or tv rights, its about generating sponsorship

Training ground sponsor
shirt sponsor
training gear sponsor
stand sponsor
official airplane sponsor
It sponsor

etc etc etc

And thats why Asia is been targeted you only have to watch TV and look at the advertising boards to see were the sponsors are coming from..

Last season we looked like we'd get promotion for a large part of the season. Our nickname was The Tigers all year. There was nothing to stop Assem Allam going out to Asia and lining up all those sponsors before we sealed promotion. There was nothing to stop him doing that after our 2-2 draw with Cardiff City.

We didn't do it. We haven't seen much difference in the sponsorship in the KC, or of the players, etc. Seems a strange way of doing business to me when we already known as The Tigers.

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

We were already The Tigers, we didn't need to incorporate it into our playing name to exploit that fact.

If you are. as you say, involved in marketing British brands in Asia, you'll be well aware that it's the history and heritage that the Asian market buys into. The most successful British brands in Asia are those that produce a premium product and have done for many years, the likes of Burberry, Land Rover, Jaguar etc, none of which would we be daft enough to change their name to try and make them more appealing in Asia.

There is one way and one way only to generate long term success in Asia and that's to be successful on the pitch, the Asian market is far too sophisticated to buy into gimmicks.

Thats the whole point the company's you mention are well known successful brands worldwide who have produced a premium product for years just like man utd, liverpool unfortunately we are not a well known brand or produce a premium product so we have to try different ways to brand our business. What that should be is another story and im not suggesting the name change would work..

Also if it was down to heritage teams like Notts County and Sheffield FC would be well supported teams in Asia already.

On a point of changing names all car manufactures change the name of the car models to suit each market as a very basic rule of marketing and a very successful one.

I would also point out the branding is not about shirt sales or tv rights, its about generating sponsorship

Training ground sponsor
shirt sponsor
training gear sponsor
stand sponsor
official airplane sponsor
It sponsor

etc etc etc

And thats why Asia is been targeted you only have to watch TV and look at the advertising boards to see were the sponsors are coming from..

More speculative bullshit presented as fact.

It's **** all to do with marketing, it's all to do with a petulant strop with HCC

 

[DMD]

More speculative bullshit presented as fact.

It's **** all to do with marketing, it's all to do with a petulant strop with HCC

Any argument for "Hull Tigers" works better for "The Tigers" anyway as that comes backed up with tradition and local support.

 

[originallambrettaman]

Thats the whole point the company's you mention are well known successful brands worldwide who have produced a premium product for years just like man utd, liverpool unfortunately we are not a well known brand or produce a premium product so we have to try different ways to brand our business.

We're in the Premier League, we're live on TV every week in Asia, we're already The Tigers, we're already getting massive exposure, there is absolutely no need to change the name.

Also if it was down to heritage teams like Notts County and Sheffield FC would be well supported teams in Asia already.

That's just daft, you obviously need heritage alongside success, you can't even watch those teams on TV in Asia.

On a point of changing names all car manufactures change the name of the car models to suit each market as a very basic rule of marketing and a very successful one.

Bollocks. Land Rover, Jaguar, Rolls Royce, Mini, Mercedes, BMW, Audi etc don't change their names for the Asian markets, only middle of the road producers occasionally change names for different markets and we're in the Premier League, we're a premium product.

I would also point out the branding is not about shirt sales or tv rights, its about generating sponsorship.

That's absolutely true, but we have the ability to do that already as The Tigers, there's no need to change the playing name. In fact, I believe we may well have already attracted a sponsor because of it and that was before the name change was an issue. Our sponsorship deals are all appalling, just as our club shop is appalling and it's because we don't handle these areas properly. Bringing in a professional international sponsorship company, rather than trying to do it in-house, would generate far more income than a name change.

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

Any argument for "Hull Tigers" works better for "The Tigers" anyway as that comes backed up with tradition and local support.

Agreed, also "The" defines us as the most outstanding & prominant in the group of Tigers. Not any old Tigers, we are The Tigers.

Tigers teams past & present.

Auburn Tigers
Clemson Tigers
Colorado College Tigers
Detroit Tigers
LSU Tigers
Memphis Tigers
Missouri Tigers
Princeton Tigers
RCC Tigers
Towson Tigers
Kia Tigers
Balmain Tigers
Claremont Tigers
Eastern Suburbs Tigers
Glenelg Tigers
Hobart Tigers
Melbourne Tigers
Richmond Tigers
Wests Tigers
Bangladesh Tigers
Chittagong Tiger
Medicine Hat Tigers
Hamilton Tigers
Calgary Tigers
Dalhousie Tigers
Sheffield Tigers
Castleford Tigers
Leicester Tigers
Brighton Tigers
Hanshin Tigers
Frisk Tigers

Hull City A.F.C. The Tigers

 

[SydneyTiger14]

Go Richmond Tigers! My Dad's team.

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

Go Richmond Tigers! My Dad's team.

Not having a pop at your dad's team Syd but that in itself should be enough for all to recognise that Hull Tigers should never become a reality.

 

[mostynthecat]

At the end of the day - whatever Merson, Prescott, add numerous other people will not have an effect on what the FA decide to do. The FA will decide based on 2 factors.
1 - what Allam has in his presentation (Don't assume that he hasn't got a business plan which will show numerous benefits)
2 - the arguments and business case CWTD put forward showing that if the name doesn't change the additional revenue the club will get (if you of course only want to focus on traditions/"majority of fans" then that's up to you BUT i'm certain that a business case would impress those making the decision and would counteract some of Allam's arguments)

 

[Obadiah]

At the end of the day - whatever Merson, Prescott, add numerous other people will not have an effect on what the FA decide to do. The FA will decide based on 2 factors.
1 - what Allam has in his presentation (Don't assume that he hasn't got a business plan which will show numerous benefits)
2 - the arguments and business case CWTD put forward showing that if the name doesn't change the additional revenue the club will get (if you of course only want to focus on traditions/"majority of fans" then that's up to you BUT i'm certain that a business case would impress those making the decision and would counteract some of Allam's arguments)

After pointing out my stupidity have you nothing to say on my correction?

The FA's decision will not be based on Hull City's business case or even CTWD's, it will be based on the potential damage, if any, to the Premier League/Football League product by following the American fad for sporting names. If the rest of the world is saying we pay billions for good old fashioned traditional football they will say no.

They will also have one eye on the Bundesliga which is coming up on the rail and threatening the "best league in the world". In the grand scheme of things Hull City's business plan comes a long way down the list.

 

[originallambrettaman]

the arguments and business case CWTD put forward showing that if the name doesn't change the additional revenue the club will get (if you of course only want to focus on traditions/"majority of fans" then that's up to you BUT i'm certain that a business case would impress those making the decision and would counteract some of Allam's arguments)

We'll do both, but you need to bear in mind the nature of those who makes up the FA Council, they're more impressed with people who put up nets and paint white line pitches on a Sunday morning, than they are by big money players and the like.

 

[mostynthecat]

Is that your opinion Obi about what the FA will decide it on, or have you got inside knowledge that is what whoever (still waiting for an answer from anyone about who at the FA will make the decision) will be basing their decision on - and as for the correction, as with most people I don't fully understand a football clubs accounts, as I am not an accountant unlike yourself (I presume).

 

[Wycombe tiger]

At the end of the day - whatever Merson, Prescott, add numerous other people will not have an effect on what the FA decide to do. The FA will decide based on 2 factors.
1 - what Allam has in his presentation (Don't assume that he hasn't got a business plan which will show numerous benefits)
2 - the arguments and business case CWTD put forward showing that if the name doesn't change the additional revenue the club will get (if you of course only want to focus on traditions/"majority of fans" then that's up to you BUT i'm certain that a business case would impress those making the decision and would counteract some of Allam's arguments)

Apart from having enough funds/income to run the club as a football club and be able to carry out all the commitments and responsibilities to whatever league/division you are in, the business case should not be of any concern to the FA or have any bearing on their decision regarding the name change? You could say it is none of their business.

 

[Muffinthegoat]

Agreed, also "The" defines us as the most outstanding & prominant in the group of Tigers. Not any old Tigers, we are The Tigers.

Tigers teams past & present.

Auburn Tigers
Clemson Tigers
Colorado College Tigers
Detroit Tigers
LSU Tigers
Memphis Tigers
Missouri Tigers
Princeton Tigers
RCC Tigers
Towson Tigers
Kia Tigers
Balmain Tigers
Claremont Tigers
Eastern Suburbs Tigers
Glenelg Tigers
Hobart Tigers
Melbourne Tigers
Richmond Tigers
Wests Tigers
Bangladesh Tigers
Chittagong Tiger
Medicine Hat Tigers
Hamilton Tigers
Calgary Tigers
Dalhousie Tigers
Sheffield Tigers
Castleford Tigers
Leicester Tigers
Brighton Tigers
Hanshin Tigers
Frisk Tigers

Hull City A.F.C. The Tigers

If Hull Tigers becomes a roaring (excuse the pun) success I'm sure all the common City's and United's will be following suit and changing their name to Tigers also. It's such a strong name, everyone will want to use it and we will be back to having a common name. Or we could always go after the Chinese market, there's lots more of them, how about Hull Rhino Horns? We will then be seen as having virility and strength. Perhaps a different name each year, depending on the Chinese year? Hull Rats, Hull Rabbits. It makes so much sense. We already have three names what's a few more?

 

[Obadiah]

Is that your opinion Obi about what the FA will decide it on, or have you got inside knowledge that is what whoever (still waiting for an answer from anyone about who at the FA will make the decision) will be basing their decision on - and as for the correction, as with most people I don't fully understand a football clubs accounts, as I am not an accountant unlike yourself (I presume).

No inside information just a gut feeling. People tend to see the picture with Hull glasses. I just think the decision will be based on what the FA want. Looking around I don't see much support for the name change outside Hull and the Hull Labour Party. There is plenty of support for keeping football traditional as that is one of the selling points. Even in Hull the name doesn't inspire passion, more like, I don't mind, its his money, etc.

The Bundesliga is a competitive threat to the decades old dominance of the Premier League. Full grounds, lots of flags and the odd flare are far more attractive then empty seats at Stoke City. Add to that some of the best teams in Europe, a national team that is likely to do better then us in the World Cup and a more sustainable financial structure and you have a recipe for success in the global market.

I'm not an accountant but do know how to read accounts.