Transfer Rumours January Transfer Thread

[SydneyTiger14]

Loans do help us compete with teams that spend more though as you can target loanees who would otherwise command a large fee and get them at a snip of the price. The downside being you get them for a single year not multiple years and get no sell-on value. That doesn't mean that someone like Morton or Delap coming here doesn't improve us and provide us a level of quality we couldn't otherwise afford.

 

[Tigerboy98]

Acun getting some bad press in Turkey currently, Galatasaray fans trying to organise a boycott against him

 

[Paul Jewitt]

Just unsustainable that’s all. As you see all the teams around us who are also building long term projects are exactly where they are in the actual table. So they all immediately have a head start on our “long term project”.

Loans are great. But when you are trying to build long term you need more of your permanent match winners

What about the ones with on loan defenders/goalies who have made goal saving tackles/saves that have won them games. It's a very poor way to look at just one aspect of the game for loan players.

 

[mauled1904]

https://x.com/ncfc024/status/1775546163086737583?s=46

Interesting it was said that the loanees can be disregarded.

What a load of rubbish, everyone would be on zero points (well 1 point per game as they'd all be drawn), you just can't take out the goal scorers! What about assists, tackles preventing goals, passes in build up play. Every movement in every team that has a loan player in it affects it in one way or another.

 

[HulltoHellandback]

Acun getting some bad press in Turkey currently, Galatasaray fans trying to organise a boycott against him

I've just read a Turkish article, translated into English, and still can't make head nor tail of what he's meant to have done

 

[SydneyTiger14]

What a load of rubbish, everyone would be on zero points (well 1 point per game as they'd all be drawn), you just can't take out the goal scorers! What about assists, tackles preventing goals, passes in build up play. Every movement in every team that has a loan player in it affects it in one way or another.

It's a pretty stupid table.

"Well this team scored this goal but it was scored by a loanee"
"Yeah but it was a pen"
"So?"
"So if the loanee didn't exist someone else would have taken the pen"

 

[originallambrettaman]

https://x.com/ncfc024/status/1775546163086737583?s=46

Interesting it was said that the loanees can be disregarded.

That table is completely and utterly meaningless, Leeds top the table, but only because three of their four (Premier League) loan players this season are defenders.

 

[zimozimo]

Loans do help us compete with teams that spend more though as you can target loanees who would otherwise command a large fee and get them at a snip of the price. The downside being you get them for a single year not multiple years and get no sell-on value. That doesn't mean that someone like Morton or Delap coming here doesn't improve us and provide us a level of quality we couldn't otherwise afford.

There was a lot of talk recently about the way City are changing the youth setup to better develop top players. No doubt the long term vision is to develop our talent and build sellable players, rather than buy or loan all the time.

 

[Tigerboy98]

I've just read a Turkish article, translated into English, and still can't make head nor tail of what he's meant to have done

Yeah me neither tbh haha, I think it’s related to that thing that happened with Fenerbahce fighting on the pitch and then apparently Acun is accused of making a video that makes Galatasaray look bad? Sounds like handbags

 

[bradymk2]

The table isint meant to be taking serious
Its just a stat nerd having fun
Probably was a leeds fan though

And its not saying loans are not good or needed

33% of our goals have been scored by our loans

Which obviously means we have benefitted nicely
No hidden agenda

 

[PLT]

Yeah me neither tbh haha, I think it’s related to that thing that happened with Fenerbahce fighting on the pitch and then apparently Acun is accused of making a video that makes Galatasaray look bad? Sounds like handbags

Fenerbahçe recently released a video supposedly showing all the times they've been cheated or treated unfairly over many years. Perhaps the accusation is that he helped create that?

 

[zimozimo]

33% of our goals have been scored by our loans

I find that quite interesting as it means two thirds have come from permanent players, and considering most of our attackers are loan players it highlights how much the goals are spread across the team. In some ways, it feels like that 33% should probably be higher?

 

[Cityzen]

Fenerbahçe recently released a video supposedly showing all the times they've been cheated or treated unfairly over many years. Perhaps the accusation is that he helped create that?

Don’t think this incident, which seems to have been downplayed helped. Fenerbahce players being criticised for defending themselves added fuel to the fire. One of them did an olympic standard spin kick. Don’t blame them when idiots were running at them with corner flags.

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[SydneyTiger14]

I find that quite interesting as it means two thirds have come from permanent players; considering most of our attackers are loan players it highlights how much the goals are spread across the team. In some ways, it feels like that 33% should probably be higher?

Tufan and Connolly (permanent) equal top scorers, Philogene not far behind, also permanent. Greaves our best defender, permanent. Seri and Slater, arguably our two most important midfielders, also permanent.

Delap has, at times, been crucial to our success; Morton, at times, crucial to our success; Carvalho, likewise.

I think the reliance on loanees has been a bit overblown.

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

Tufan and Connolly (permanent) equal top scorers, Philogene not far behind, also permanent. Greaves our best defender, permanent. Seri and Slater, arguably our two most important midfielders, also permanent.

Delap has, at times, been crucial to our success; Morton, at times, crucial to our success; Carvalho, likewise.

I think the reliance on loanees has been a bit overblown.

Tufan and Connolly (permanent) equal top scorers, Philogene not far behind, also permanent. Greaves our best defender, permanent. Seri and Slater, arguably our two most important midfielders, also permanent.

Delap has, at times, been crucial to our success; Morton, at times, crucial to our success; Carvalho, likewise.

I think the reliance on loanees has been a bit overblown.

In isolation, it is.

But with the inevitable outbounds additional to loans, it points to a massive recruitment yet again.
That's my concern.

Yet more significant churn.

 

[SydneyTiger14]

Pandur
Coyle - Jones - McLoughlin - Giles
Seri - Slater
Omur
XX - XX - Philogene

Looks to me a good Starting XI for next season. If we manage to get Delap in on a permanent then there's conceivably only one slot in the squad filled by someone who wasn't here this season. With all the noise around Jaden I wonder if we'll sell Greaves and try to keep Philogene one more season. Churn to the depth positions or adding a Starting XI gun and Seri or Coyle dropping to the bench is also not churn. Sometimes people get overwhelmed by the peripherals. If we move Longman on and bring in another wing option for the bench I'm not convinced that has as much impact, for example, as some would believe.

Wouldn't mind upgrading on McLoughlin too, but improving on 2-3 first XI spots in a summer is hardly disruptive.

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

Pandur
Coyle - Jones - McLoughlin - Giles
Seri - Slater
Omur
XX - XX - Philogene

Looks to me a good Starting XI for next season. If we manage to get Delap in on a permanent then there's conceivably only one slot in the squad filled by someone who wasn't here this season. With all the noise around Jaden I wonder if we'll sell Greaves and try to keep Philogene one more season. Churn to the depth positions or adding a Starting XI gun and Seri or Coyle dropping to the bench is also not churn. Sometimes people get overwhelmed by the peripherals. If we move Longman on and bring in another wing option for the bench I'm not convinced that has as much impact, for example, as some would believe.

Wouldn't mind upgrading on McLoughlin too, but improving on 2-3 first XI spots in a summer is hardly disruptive.

I think the noise around philogene and Acun effectively setting a price I suspect Jaden might be more likely to go than Greaves

 

[M88 EVN]

I think the noise around philogene and Acun effectively setting a price I suspect Jaden might be more likely to go than Greaves

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[John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.]

The table isint meant to be taking serious
Its just a stat nerd having fun
Probably was a leeds fan though

And its not saying loans are not good or needed

33% of our goals have been scored by our loans

Which obviously means we have benefitted nicely
No hidden agenda

They don't mention why teams have to take loan players is to compete with the likes of Leeds who had large parachute payments.

 

[PLT]

I think the noise around philogene and Acun effectively setting a price I suspect Jaden might be more likely to go than Greaves

I think from our point of view it makes more sense to sell Greaves this window. Greaves seems like the finished article now, who will surely attract about as big a fee as a defender at this level ever could. Jaden I would think would command a bigger fee after another year having shown a bit more consistency. I think it's important to sell these players at the right time, when their value is at its highest.