Jackson Irvine HDM
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Quite a few went back to work got very sick and paid the ultimate price. Others will be ill for the rest of their lives. Against that you have a footballer worried about a sprained ankle. They should have played til the season ended.
Some people are either nuts or just looking for an argument. We've got an appalling injury record at this club, including ones that are career ending, life altering and generally career threatening. Plus your every day injuries that often put our players out for months/serious chunks of the season. Have we forgotten the weeks where the injury list was longer than the fit list?
I would in no way blame a player for declining to play if that meant they were at risk of ending up seriously injured - and at Hull City that means every time they step foot on the pitch, whether its the training pitch or the KCOM! Lichaj and Irvine knew they would be without access to the treatment and physios that a club provides, the moral support of the squad and club, and face extreme difficulty in getting back into the game when fit. In that situation, pay comes towards the end of the list of considerations. By their actions, the players are saying they don't think the club could be trusted to see them right. Its got very little to do with their salary.
I would in no way blame a player for declining to play if that meant they were at risk of ending up seriously injured - and at Hull City that means every time they step foot on the pitch, whether its the training pitch or the KCOM! Lichaj and Irvine knew they would be without access to the treatment and physios that a club provides, the moral support of the squad and club, and face extreme difficulty in getting back into the game when fit. In that situation, pay comes towards the end of the list of considerations. By their actions, the players are saying they don't think the club could be trusted to see them right. Its got very little to do with their salary.
At no point did I say they weren't in the same shoes. I would not have done it if I was them, the risks far outweigh any benefits. I would suggest all 3 of them have not done anything to improve their chances of getting a new deal.
People where choosing to ignore a point that didn't back up their argument, I was putting this forward as in any other industry being asked to work an extra month for free would not be accepted, unions would jump all over it. However, as they are a footballer they are supposed to do it?
Irvine's priorities are to provide for him and his family in a short career.
Your loyalties are with Hull City (Righly so) but irvine's aren't. Why would they be? He has just been told he is not wanted anymore. I would never say to any of our contractors, we aren't going to renew your contract because we don't want you but will you work an extra month for free. I would get looked at like I am an idiot.
In my eyes it is completely illogical to expect a player to play in these circumstances. To expect them to do it is you looking at things with Hull City glasses without properly looking at it from a neutral point of view.
I was merely making the point that they hadn’t, as was suggested, gone back with no pay.
I entirely agree that the health workers have not been looked after like they should have been
But football isn't 'any other business' is it ?
It was our captain and vice-captain, self confessed members of the leadership team at the club. Some leadership they showed. Using your logic, if the season had run its natural course all four players who jumped ship would not have been playing at full capacity because they would have one eye on picking up an injury which would hamper their chances of kissing another clubs badge in the future.
Of course I see it with my Hull City supporting goggles on as I would expect those players who played on for us would see their departure as betrayal. They ****ed off and left us in the **** when we needed them the most, their ex-team mates.
We hear a lot about the morals of fans on here, what about the morals of the players, the club captain and vice captain ?
Having said that, it could have been handled a whole lot better and their sudden exit and the way they left shattered any team spirt, all-for-one-one for-all, attitude the squad may have had and it showed in their performances.
The owners want it to be like any other business though, so they made their own bed.
Of course I’d have my specs on too though and prefer they’d have stayed, and played brilliantly, and we’d stayed up.
Maybe I’m just more realistic / have lower expectations and genuinely think that things like the owners having the ‘it’s a business’ stance has an impact...and we’ve just seen it
This is it.
No other club has these problems year after year after year. Hull City are the special case here. That's why the Athletic saw fit to do a big exposé on it. There were multiple levels to it remember. The wages we pay, the huge reductions player were expected to take (50% in Lichaj's case), playing for free in some cases, then there was the bit about Lichaj offering to have a clause that allowed them to end his contract if the season ended in relegation, but the club said no we still don't want you next season even with that. Loyalty works both ways, and it couldn't be clearer that City didn't value him at all.
These things all have an impact ultimately. Yes we're all Hull City fans and we want players to stay here but that doesn't mean we should ignore the overwhelming evidence that the club doesn't treat them as well as other clubs treat theirs. I think that's the line between supporter and bootlicker.
I know that DBT and we are not far apart but speak to the owners and they will tell you they are running the club as a business. It is self sufficient ( for the time being ) They have cut their cloth accordingly and they are convinced they are doing a good job. I suppose when Ehab speaks to other owners and hears the tales of massive debts and borrowings our club looks quite rosy because it wipes its own face clean and returns a nice little dividend to the owners. It's not what we, the fans want to see or hear but that is the reality.
We can shout and scream, boycott or support, but whilst they have the keys to the door they will run it to suit themselves and at the moment the club is stable.
In the perfect world we would have taken relegation on the chin with a solid 10/15,000 fanbase behind us ( meaning signed up members/pass holders) and shown any potential buyers that we are a club worth taking a gamble on. The only 'potential' buyers we are going to attract whilst we are engaging in a civil war with ourselves are chancers hoping to nick the club for a song, thinking the present owners want out at any price. Which is exactly how the Sheffield Mafia moved in on us when David Lloyd washed his hand of us.
Its just my view on it.
Based on what i have seen and witnessed whilst supporting this club for 56 years.
99% of this board will shout me down, I know, and I was a leading member of a protest group against owners of this club a long, long time ago when I was a lot younger. I/we thought we changed the direction of the club at the time. I have heard say, many times since, that all we did was put the club back x-amount of years because we scared potential buyers off who wouldn't touch the club with a bargepole in fear of attracting the attention of a protest group like ours at the time.
Our protests are still talked about today nearly 50 years on.
People have long memories.
That's a sincere post and contrary to your 99% theory that you'll be shouted down,I go along with the vast majority of what you've said.That said,I question the ambition of the Allams going forward? Grant McCann has got to be one of the worst managers at the Club since I started going,yet he remains in place in spite of a shocking run which yielded 6 points from the 60 available.
How many supporters will turn their back until that issue is remedied?
"Having said that, it could have been handled a whole lot better"
Quite possibly, the very words to describe everything they have done here.
Its history repeating itself Ric. Terry Dolan took us down to the old 4th division, two relegations in succession if I remember rightly and he was rewarded with a contract extension, At the time there were protests, boycotts etc and every man and his dog wanted him sacked. The chairman, Martin Fish, thought otherwise and stayed loyal to Dolan because he thought he was doing the job to the best of his abilities under the circumstances. Meaning low gates, no money and having to sell his best players to keep our heads above water. To be fair Dolan was quite good at finding players and bringing them on then selling them, Fettis, Caroll, Windass, Darby...
But the club slipped further down the leagues with every player we sold.
Different circumstances today but the chairman's thoughts are the same perhaps ?
To have any hope of recuperating his loans I'd like to think he'd be looking to halt the slide..
The stark harsh stats of the relegation just rub salt into the wounds for all Hull supporters for all the drivel spoken by McCann....I cannot believe he is still in the job...But then why is anyone surprised...The owners just do not get it...!!!..Never will I’m afraid....Anyhow looking forward to some away games