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TheCasual said:
I honestly don't get the Champagne Socialist insults.

To be on left do you have to live in a mud hut and live off the land?

Why can't people with money care about people less fortunate then them? Or as soon as we move up the ladder we wip the ladder away to stop people claiming it.
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We all know people like this don't we !
I've been surprised lately by people I've known all my life suddenly having this attitude !
 
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Newland Tiger said:
I'm still confused as to how people think Brexit will help the normal working person in this country
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Most people who voted for Brexit thought all foreigners* would be thrown out of the UK the very next day, including some on here.
That worked out well didn't it?

*including all refugees and descendants of immigrants from the 'New Commonwealth' who arrived in Britain decades ago.
 
Ric Glasgow said:
That's an interesting topic and can anyone shed any light on how that's going to work?

'If' the SNP back Labour with the proviso of another Scottish referendum being granted,at what point will the SNP demand that referendum? And if they were to be successful? Where would that leave a Labour government in Parliament?

I don't think there's been much thought being put into a 'coalition' of this type and I'd love to be a fly on the wall at the initial meeting between Cornyn and Sturgeon.
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I don't think it'd be a coalition, or a formal confidence and supply.

It'd be a Labour minority government that the SNP would support on a case by case basis. They want investment for Scotland and an end to austerity badly too.

However, if the SNP smashes the Scottish elections in 2020, they will take it as a mandate for pushing for Indyref2.

If Labour, who needs their votes to pass legislation refuse, then I would guess they will withdraw their support on key issues. Which could lead to the collapse of govt.

However, Labour are offering a remain option in the second ref. That and a healthy end to austerity as well as investment in Scotland could well be enough to keep Scotland in the UK.

I do think another independence ref is somewhat inevitable in the 2020s at some point though, whoever wins this election.
 
Newland Tiger said:
I'm still confused as to how people think Brexit will help the normal working person in this country
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It won't it is just a Nationalistic harking back to presumed glory days !
I've read a couple if books this year from people who grew up and lived through the late 20s onwards !
One of them Harry Leslie Smith painted a very different picture of his first couple of decades .
The period of the 50s and 60s did seem a time of a lot more community than nowadays !
We seem to have drifted more towards a I'll keep myself to myself society !
 
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Leon T Trout AFC said:
I honestly don't know what to think at the minute.

I've seen data that looks promising. I've seen data that looks poor.

The polls are all over the place - but are consistent in giving the Tory's a lead - between 6 pts (hung territory) to a whopping 14 pts (decent majority time).
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There are some variables though which polling struggles to account for.

Newly registered voters (something like 3 million).
Youth vote and celeb support (Stormzy's support for Labour led to a massive voter reg spike)
Last minute floaters
The weather even.

I remember in 2017 I thought if Labour can just reduce her majority it will be something of a victory. I thought we had no chance of getting anything like we did.

I also remember Iain Dale (ex Tory MP now broadcaster) on election eve. I don't agree with him very often but clearly a clever guy - he had gone through the numbers, used his own judgment and had the Tory party at a majority of around a 100 seats.

So, I think we'll only know when it happens, or by about 10pm on Thurs.
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I'm listening to Ian Dale at the moment and yes,he is an intelligent individual.
 
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Mr Hatem said:
Most people who voted for Brexit thought all foreigners* would be thrown out of the UK the very next day, including some on here.
That worked out well didn't it?

*including all refugees and descendants of immigrants from the 'New Commonwealth' who arrived in Britain decades ago.
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But it's ok for Brits to go working all over the world I suppose ?
I guess they are not imigrants !
Interestingly you don't here people refering to Aussies ,Americans ,Canadians etc as foriegners or imigrants in the same breath.
 
Mr Hatem said:
Most people who voted for Brexit thought all foreigners* would be thrown out of the UK the very next day, including some on here.
That worked out well didn't it?

*including all refugees and descendants of immigrants from the 'New Commonwealth' who arrived in Britain decades ago.
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I think we'll see tonnes of immigration post Brexit - especially for unskilled jobs, where they will be a shortfall.

And in a de-regulated Britain - loads from poorer African and Asian countries where these employees can be paid peanuts,

Britain has done well out of immigration. But what has happened, at the same time, poorer people have been shafted by successive governments and a dogwhistle media has tried to create divisions and have scapegoated immigrants.
 
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Mr Hatem said:
Most people who voted for Brexit thought all foreigners* would be thrown out of the UK the very next day, including some on here.
That worked out well didn't it?

*including all refugees and descendants of immigrants from the 'New Commonwealth' who arrived in Britain decades ago.
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That's an insult to anyone who voted brexit and reeks of racist allegation!!!
 
Leon T Trout AFC said:
I don't think it'd be a coalition, or a formal confidence and supply.

It'd be a Labour minority government that the SNP would support on a case by case basis. They want investment for Scotland and an end to austerity badly too.

However, if the SNP smashes the Scottish elections in 2020, they will take it as a mandate for pushing for Indyref2.

If Labour, who needs their votes to pass legislation refuse, then I would guess they will withdraw their support on key issues. Which could lead to the collapse of govt.

However, Labour are offering a remain option in the second ref. That and a healthy end to austerity as well as investment in Scotland could well be enough to keep Scotland in the UK.

I do think another independence ref is somewhat inevitable in the 2020s at some point though, whoever wins this election.
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The problem for the SNP is a no deal Brexit and a Johnson government would enhance there chances of independence. But there voters hate both hugely.

If there where to be seen as aided either they'd be destroyed.
 
TheCasual said:
The problem for the SNP is a no deal Brexit and a Johnson government would enhance there chances of independence. But there voters hate both hugely.

If there where to be seen as aided either they'd be destroyed.
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It would help them garner support but under a Johnson majority (partic a big one) they would have zero leverage to gain a new referendum.
 
Shadow health secretary Jonathan Ashworth doesn't seem very confident...

"Question is to Labour, gets itself half decent leader, next time round reverse and regain its traditional heartland seats.

"I just can't see how you [the Conservatives] don't have a majority to be honest."

"Outside of the city seats, if you're in small-town Midlands and the North, it's abysmal out there. They don't like Johnson, but they can't stand Corbyn and they think Labour's blocked Brexit."
https://news.sky.com/story/under-th...ing-to-social-media-to-win-elections-11880079
On the chances of a Labour majority, he said: "I just can't see it happening.

"Johnson and CCHQ would have to massively **** it up."

He was recorded talking to a Conservative MP, a tad embarrassing.
 
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